all the way brother

He DOESN'T serve the people, apparently in his mind it's the other way around...

Forward Ho!

The ones who are anti-Americans are the people who continue to put out the right-wing crapola. Disagree all you want with the President, but do it with substance based on facts not incredibly wrong and destructive characterizations. He's your President, too, and you are not a good citizen to show such blatant disrespect for the office. Such childish drivel from sore losers is perpetuating the unnecessary and harmful rhetoric that only serves to divide the nation. Too bad you have to live with your hatred for 4 more years, but maybe you deserve that, just based on this post alone.

We are free to post about the situation as we appraise it, just as the administration is free in its attempt to proclaim a mandate, after losing 10 MILLION voters that he carried in 2008. He is NOT a ruler, even if he claims to do so or be one by executive order.

This outcry by no means disrespects the office, but merely points out that he HASN’T in fact HEARD EVERYONE as endlessly claimed. The “fun” that you call disrespect hasn’t even BEGUN yet.

R, the posters on here disrespect the POTUS. I didn't say the protesters don't have a right to their outcry. How do you think one person can possibly please everyone simultaneously, or should the President only please the ones who didn't vote for him? I believe the man has a lot more important things to do than make a bigger issue out of this moment in time.

A solid start would be to reduce travel expenses as so many families have done and FOLLOWING the Constitution...

Maybe even enforce a law or two that are ALREADY on the books and COMPELLING administration STAFF to settle outstanding tax issues FIRST.

Don't take "more" from us if you haven't even collected whats due right outside your DA#! door!

Hows that for a starter?

Mmmm. . . no, R, that doesn't do it. That's more right-wing rhetoric that, obviously, most American voters don't believe because they re-elected the man they wanted in the WH. You didn't answer my question, not that you have to.

@Good Grief
If logic is conservative right-wing rhetoric, I apologize...

YES he was re-elected with 10 MILLION less than voted for him the FIRST time so I guess he did give us "Change we could believe in" after-all.

(PS. When you LOSE your own voters, that's something to note as a take away ...)

As to who he should please:
This is the USA and he is the President, NOT a twit performing at a Garden Party.

Just cause he can't please everyone doesn't mean he should just please himself ...

And here's one for the crowd.

The President felt it was necessary to take several states to court when they CHOSE to pass legislation that MIRRORED Federal regulations / Laws. So now we have 2 states that legalized Marijuana, AGAINST standing Federal law and there is NO action in the courts by this Administration's DOJ ...

Regardless of one's position on Marijuana issue itself, its entertaining to see FEDERAL GOVERNMENT suing states that are trying to assist in the ENFORCEMENT of federal law, but no action is taken when they break same ...

Consistency - the lack thereof is the new "leading from behind".

So I guess its time for the 21 Blunt salute...

R, you're a busy guy at such a late, or early hour. Voters are impatient. Some of them bought the RW rhetoric that President Obama was supposed to fix 8 years of failed policy immediately. Also, the right-wing faction took off from the Palin implosion and ran with her ridiculous talking points. Fox channel is played in all the doctor, dentist, hospital waiting rooms all around here, and probably most of the rest of the South and square states. That was a big influence. No matter, he won, which is what matters. The President wasn't performing at the "garden party". It's traditional for him to attend that event. If he hadn't gone there would have been an uproar, too, and it would have been from your people. Those maryjane laws are new. You don't know what the DOJ is planning. I hope you aren't inferring what it looks like with your "21" salute. That's traitorous.

Ah but if we review past actions of this ADMINISTRATION'S DOJ and the Black Panther voter intimidation case the GOVERNMENT had won, but simply refused to send council to ENFORCE, we can predict with some reasonable success how this will go...

I'm absolutely certain we will see action, 120 days after the Benghazi report is released.

Why because it would go "Up in Smoke" and violate some EPA regulations?

ENGLISH!

DO YOU SPEAK IT?

No but he's got a FEDERAL work permit, so make way!

Spot on. In a conservative area, I am seeing children sing this "Gangnam Style" song and do the dance that goes along with it. I would like to hear more of their parents tell them this is completely inappropriate, due to the singer's history. So, let's not blame President Obama for attending the show, when, in reality, the US is more favorably looked upon by the world than it was in 2004.

Yes, Americans propelled this idiot to stardom. The same Americans that have propelled Obama to stardom. The same Americans who are programmed by their televisions every day.

President Barack Obama is expected to tiptoe as if walking on eggshells to avoid upsetting the people who didn't vote for him.

No but he is expected to know that "corpsemen" are members of a TV show cast for the "The Walking Dead", NOT members of any branch of our country's military ...

He knows R. He was probably reading from one of those teleprompters he's criticized for and that every president since their invention has also used. Would be easy to do. Maybe he was emotional about the purpose for the message at the time. He hasn't hidden the war dead from Americans like his predecessor did.

In short, I don't think so - it wasn't an emotional moment, but a routine relaxed speech.

Again an example of concern as it looks like life imitating a commercial for Jimmy Dean microwavable breakfast biscuits. The one where the weather reporter repeats "word for word" what's whispered into the headset, without ANY thought at all...

R, when you don't like (hate) the President, it is so easy to nitpick and criticize, isn't it? When that's the case, one seizes upon every word whether he says it or some broadcaster or email says he says it or how he says it. It's that perspective thing you yourself brought up. The only Americans who truly know what it's like, what's involved, to be the POTUS are the ones who have been and their spouses to a lesser degree, then their cabinet and advisers to a different degree.

There we go...
The HATE card - You don't agree so it MUST be hate.

Really no its NOT hate at all, but time to consistently start pointing out the frailties, lest folks get blinded in their enamor.

Just like if you DON'T think the undocumented (ILLEGAL) and documented (LEGAL) immigration methods are one in the same - it's hate.

When in fact its just pointing out reality.

Hows that "Change" working out for you Diane?

Give her 4 more years to answer. Her opinion will probably be the same. We have more numb nuts voting in this country than we do taxpayers.

Go figure.

But wasn't THAT the plan of years 1-4?

Tammy, I 100% agree with you, Maybe I live in my own world, but only 1 out of every 100 people I ask do admit voting for him... How did this man get elected.... Where's Ronald Reagan.......

Never let a crisis go to waste!

If you think the first four years were bad, hang on tight.

Let the "TRANSFORMATION" begin.

Bush should have starved himself out of guilt since he's the one who sent our men and women into harm's way. He mostly hid out at his ranch.

Cowboy, Ronald Reagan died with the Alzheimer's disease which he had while in the oval office, after he started this country on its economic tailspin with his trickle down fantasy.

This is directed towards Cowboy. You want Ronald Reagan back just like all the illegal aliens who got their free pass to the US in the 80s. Remember Amnesty? I knew people who weren't even in the country when the gates to a free green card was open, and they lied and got in.

Yeah BABY So lets DREAM-Lite some more!

It worked so well the LAST time a Democratic Senate PASSED it right?

This increase in worldwide approval is a myth at best and if you include laughing as respect, then maybe the position might have some validity.

Its all about the definitions used and the corpsemen...

Michael, only conservatives are forgiven for their past and current mistakes.

The mistakes have to STOP first, if only to catch its breath ... so forgiveness can be given.

. . . in a perfect world . . .

In the REAL world ... The one taxpayers live in daily

R, the Rs wanted to take the country back to the 50s during the campaign. The top marginal tax rate under Eisenhower was 90% - you want that, too? The country was very prosperous then, so . . .

GGY- Which conservative have you forgiven?

I don't hold grudges, Racer man. I don't forget either.

I don't know about this claim of going back to the "fifties", but there was a discussion about going back to a time where it was considered wise to "ask
NOT what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country ..."

Or is it the position now that the vision of "Camelot" was an illusion too?

Oh, no, no, R. The Romney campaign was definitely about harking back in time to when women were second-class citizens. The Rs would never give props to a Democratic President, of any color.

@GGY

Weak sir/ma'am, VERY weak indeed...

WWWD
Beav , What Would Wally Do?

Tammy, Obama said it may take his eight AND another president.

Just can't wait!

The American electorate isn't as dumb as you continue to claim.

"The American electorate isn't as dumb as you continue to claim"

Really? Tell us why we should feel different? There is NO constitutional right to vote in a presidential election yet the majority of LIVING, voters in America choose a President who clearly prefers to have our citizens on the dole rather than working in the private sector.

People are born dumb but people choose to be stupid. Liberals were on target when it came to Romney. Republicans or Conservatives keep making the same mistakes backing the guy with the "R". Unfortunately, the "R" guys have sucked and we choose what we feel is the best of the two evils. We as a Nation need (or should have found) to find a Libertarian in between person that gives and takes. There's no such thing as a perfect human nor perfect world.

Obama and those who claim to back him choose to be blind and stupid or they too are choosing what they feel is the less of two evils. Otherwise they are just lying.

I hate to seem like a quitter as I have children and hope a great future for them but with our debt and our government corruption, I can only pray.

I choose to vote for the best person for the job as long as they're not Republican. Not since Bush and Cheney invaded a foreign country on a lie, destroyed it and spilled the blood of many more lives on both sides than the ones they were claiming to avenge. Now, the US has to rebuild the country it destroyed. How smart is that? Destroy a nation and then have to rebuild it. Afghanistan - yes, Iraq - no. There's where a big chunk of the national debt comes from.

That's exactly my point. You choose to vote as you see the less of two evils.

You arrogant democrats choose to accuse Bush of lying while your own party voted to invade Iraq. Shame on you for choosing to lie by not telling the whole story. Only your own stupid minions believe such crap! Neither of the Bush Presidents were the best for this Nation yet you people never seem to admit that Obama is completing the ruin by his own definition of transformation.

DEMOCRATS VOTED TO INVADE IRAQ! Do you really believe that Democrats voted because they trusted a Republican President? REALLY? BS!

Iraq had the weapons! No One Can Dispute That Fact!

Aaron, I don't waste my vote on evil. Bush/Cheney put out the false intelligence, leading Congress to vote the way they did. The country had just suffered an attack on our soil. At that time in history, Americans of all stripes pulled together. I'm not the one who should be ashamed.

Thank you for continuously proving our point here.

Sleep well.

You're welcome, A. It's not hard to prove what you guys are about. It does get a bit repetitive, though.

"I choose to vote for the best person for the job as long as they're not Republican."

Sooo....no urge to vote for the best candidate...gotcha....

The best candidate won't be a Republican, Karsten. That is a lesson well learned.

Op There goes another Open (CLOSED) mind...

Sharon, this President has taken many stands for and done many things in support of the military and veterans. The benefit to the Children's National Medical Center should take precedence over politics, any day. What would you have him do? Walk out when Psy comes on stage? Give an anti-Psy press conference? Not go to the concert and disappoint others who want to see him there? The man apologized. Is he not to be forgiven? If we never forgive our enemies - Japan, Germany, Italy - we won't overcome the world's problems. There will probably be a statement from the President to address this issue. Look for it. The President was put in this spot, most likely inadvertently, and he will handle it with wisdom and grace. He may even treat it for the non-troversy that it is. Patch Staff should do a better job of presenting a fair and complete account on articles like this one. There was not one mention of the reason for the concert or names of the host and other performers. I know the more controversy that can be stirred up, the better for advertisers, the better for Patch, but just once in a while it would be nice to see a pro-Obama or pro-Democratic column. Or even, just one that is balanced. Just now and then. I believe you could find quite a few good reports to make, and you might even have more rousing discussion threads. For sure, most of the readers won't like that, thus more readers and comments. (And the Dixie Chicks were spot on.)

Simple, treat the guy like Israeli leaders have been over the past few years…

We do try to do that Good Grief Y'all, and we've been criticized enough for our left-wing propaganda to feel we're at least hitting a balance. When a question is asked, we welcome the discussion from both sides of the argument. For my part, I believe the president was duly elected and has the power of the office to back him, as he should, in this instance too. But I do know that it is tough to have to continually defend someone you supported, but that really is just the way it goes. I'm sure supporters of past presidents Bill Clinton and George Bush fully understand those frustrations. As far as Psy, I hope that you are right and that at the very least the president does address his past behavior. I agree, we should forgive our enemies - it's just so much harder to accept Psy's apology when it only comes now when big money is on the line.

Well, Sharon, maybe I haven't been reading Patch long enough to have experienced any left-leaning articles. Perhaps it's just a perspective issue, but it sticks out like a sore thumb to me. I'm not frustrated as much as perplexed as to why people who complain about how America has gone down hill get on these threads and make the most disrespectful, unnecessary comments. Venting is one thing, but the ugliness that shows up here is often hard to get beyond. Obviously, they don't see that they're part of the problem. How can we expect Congress to work out solutions when we the people can't have a civil online discussion. You can't dictate to that, of course, because free speech is our right. It's disturbing to read what people are capable of thinking and writing. I sure hope their actual behavior doesn't reflect those attitudes. The name calling and insulting coupled with outright political propaganda is what is dangerous. I am heartened to see the comments from brave people who are willing to take the heat and venture on here to counter. (Not myself - brave, that is - I'm just a glutton for punishment.) Hopefully, most can see through that stuff. I suspect there are many readers who never post a comment. That's both good and bad. Maybe people on my side of the political aisle are more content and less prone to rant and rage.

I wouldn't take that bet in this lifetime ...

What bet, R? Are you posting in the wrong place, too?

Subject retention, its a WONDERFUL thing...

So lets all play "Connect the Dots".
For any that need a refresher course in how to follow a story line ...

GGY qouted text above:
"Maybe people on my side of the political aisle are more content and less prone to rant and rage."

Reply:
"I wouldn't take that bet in this lifetime ..."

Thanks for the clarification R. Guess I missed your point because I wasn't proposing a bet. Not a gambler. I stand by what I said. That's what I see and hear.

We have seen selective recall, questionable vision and a not so open mind in play ...
Therefore, what's been reported as having been seen is subject to heavy filtering.

America isn't she great?
There are the glass "half full" types, the glass "half empty" types and the engineering types that see a glass twice the size needed and take personal action to swap it out for one of correct size...

Perspectives, if you can't see the other side, you never get the full picture.
"I am Geek", hear me calculate ...

Some people pay too much attention to the trivial, often ridiculous, gossipy items about the President, and others they're determined not to like (hate).

I do agree about perspectives and seeing the other side too. Maybe you should try that sometime.

Its NOT the plane tickets, its the "ONE way" FREE Federal pass.

We've become a giant "Roach Motel" where they check in, but NEVER check back OUT!

Tammy, when you get that govt.-grant degree, maybe you can apply for a job at the WH and be the President's personal adviser and speech writer. The current electorate out-voted you. The President shows the people who have tried to take him down an incredible amount of respect, which is not returned. You're quite talented in your right-wing propaganda, but right-wing propagandists are a dime a dozen and not much in demand these days.

I don't know - #1 rated talk shows are all held by conservatives. Actually, I think the only shows that remain on the air are conservative talk show hosts. But you're right, no demand....

You're talking about the political talk shows, maybe. The low-information voters love those on the Fox channel, aka the Republican propaganda machine. Entertainment talk shows are a different category. Did you place your comment under the wrong post?

Why are the parties who claim FOX is at fault for EVERYTHING, the ones that admit they NEVER actually, personally WATCH for themselves?

Some do watch Fox for the laughs, to learn what the other side is talking about, for some it's their job to analyze and report on political punditry. Others, most of us, see enough clips to know what Fox is about and do our own research and analysis.

Good self appraisal if ever there was one, bet it ranks “exceeds” expectations!
(Smiles)

R, do you ever smile? Really?

As long as certain points of view like this are posted around here, ABSOLUTELY!!!
BTW, I bring popcorn along too.

Please try not to choke, R.

"R, do you ever smile? Really?"

I smiled at that....

I wont choke ...
I'm a conservative that can multitask, why I can even walk and chew gum simultaneously without having to file an environmental impact statement or request for additional grant funding form...

Oh, good, R. I'm relieved. And you claim some Democratic talents, like the newly elected President when he was getting so much done so early and yet criticized roundly for it. :)

Well you can get more done if you don't EVEN read it BEFORE passing it.

Bonus points!
You get to claim ANYTHING you want about it because NOBODY can PROVE what you did Last Summer!! Heck it still isn't completely WRITTEN in 2012...

I wish I had turned in my thesis under those conditions ...

R, that's a simplistic analysis. The President got much more done than the health care law, which a number of presidents tried but failed to accomplish. The law will be improved - that's why we have to gain the House in 2014. The law was passed in 2010 but won't be fully implemented until 2014. And, by the way, Congress wrote the law, not the President. That's the way it's done. They write, he signs or vetoes.

@GGY
We are somewhat limited for in-depth presentations around here, so lets keep it entertaining...

Simplistic? Not really, sadly far more accurate. They write it? Outsource it maybe, for if they ACTUALLY created it, then they would know what's in it BEFORE they voted to pass it, don't you think? But we KNOW they "didn't build that" ...

Accomplished much? Why certainly!

Walked firearms into Mexico ...
Sued states for daring to pass laws and regulations that are based solely on existing FEDERAL requirements and then had the audacity to attempt to support the FEDs in enforcement thereof... The very laws that our President voluntarily allowed himself to be sworn to uphold...

The UNLAWFUL presence of several the President's own FAMILY, here without legal visas - pushed off into the twilight...
(Makes one long for the days of Billy Carter)

The creation of the "virtual" executive order process. Policy guidelines that are conveyed verbally - without any legally binding text. When have you EVER heard a law student or a lawyer tell ANYONE "Don't put that in Writing"? Ask a REAL Lawyer how that works out in the overwhelming number of cases where it was applied and they'll share about the type of person that works way...

Who can take a sunrise
Sprinkle it in dew
Cover it in chocolate
and a miracle or two?

The candyman
The candyman can
The candyman can cause he mixes it with love and makes the world taste good...
(H/T to Sammy Davis)

R, you're right about the outsourcing of bill writing by Congress - ALEC.
F&F was a program started during the Bush admin. They may have renamed it.
Pelosi was talking to reporters bombarding her with questions, saying they will know what's in it when it passes because bills often change before they become law. If lawmakers didn't read or know what was in it when they passed it, the onus is on them. I'm not a legal professional and neither are most Americans. The President is not the DOJ, but he is a lawyer. Are you? You don't think Republican presidents and veeps ever used executive orders, written or "virtual" that you claim? Cheney rewrote the VP job description. You and I will never agree, so there's not much point to this, is there? I think everyone else has left the thread.

Talking to yourself, Tammy?

You sound like a three year old ggy...wah, wah, wah.........

Thanks, John B. The 3 yr olds I've been around are quite happy and laugh a lot. I love to laugh. I get quite a lot of that every time I venture into this online neighborhood. The disturbing viewpoints offset that too often, but once in a while it's worth losing a good mood.

No, he's saying that you sound like a 3 year old because of your viewpoints - mainly the whole "It's not fair!" argument that liberals like to use. Life isn't fair, get used to it.

Sorry, GGY - couldn't resist that one....

Thanks for interpreting for me, but I know exactly what he was saying and it was more childish than a 3 yr. old. You think he got my message? Maybe you should 'splain it to him. I answered the way I wanted to. He likes to taunt me. You guys are harmless, though. I don't pay too much attention to class clowns. It's the one who seems to be auditioning for something that writes most of the bad stuff. I didn't bring up the fairness issue, so don't know what you're referring to. I did ask Sharon about balance in their articles and the questions the Patch Staff puts out. I'm right, too. I need to ask her to list those left-leaning articles. Maybe you can answer for her? I'm sure you would remember them.

Tammy, I'm not the first one to make that observation. You know who said those very words about you know who. And he/she was right on it.

I promise, Good Grief Y'all, I wouldn't lie to you. Here you go. http://loganville.patch.com/search?keywords=brian+crawford
http://loganville.patch.com/search?keywords=doug+heckman&x=13&y=6
http://loganville.patch.com/search?keywords=curt+thompson

Thanks, Sharon. I'll look those up and read the comments. I didn't think you were lying, just that maybe you were talking about the comments and not the articles.

Sharon, with all due respect, those were blogs that were not posted by Patch Staff. They were contributing writers. What I was referring to were the articles and questions posed by Patch Staff and staff bylines. I'm sure you undeservedly get complaints about publishing the work of liberal authors. I'm interested in knowing about any PS left-leaning articles. Thanks for the reference links, though.

The same Administration staff that sent back the bust of Churchill to England and then sent the Queen a 525 line NTSC formatted DVD to be played in a 625 line PAL video formatted country...

The wisdom on display is simply astounding and takes one's breath away!

Kroger has cheese on special, it goes great with whine...

Packers/Lion's game is on GGY....good game!

R, no need for a Kroger run. I have some lovely Asiago to go with my wine when I want to enjoy a glass. The whine from your people must have been made from those sour grapes still being toted around. That load is gonna get really heavy over the next 4 yrs.

John B, you were posting online while watching a good game? Man, that's sad. No worries for me, though. I had some good re-run comedy TiVo'd. Almost as funny as some of the stuff "As Seen On" Patch :D

GGY- I pegged you for a TV programmed robot a long time ago.

Sure you did Racer X, sure you did. :p

I know Tammy. Bless you and your family. Fighting FOR America means everything as opposed to these numb skulls who stand up for Obama. They didn't get it before, they don't get it now and they will never get it. Anyone who would support such an inexperienced FOOL as Obama will always support his blaming someone else. In 2016, Obama will still be blaming Bush and the same idiots will believe ever word he says. These bone heads will never understand patronage and individual responsibility.

Can't change them and don't want to. It's a lost cause. Please extend my appreciation to your children and relatives for their sacrifice. Some Americans will always GET IT.

Racer X and the other ridiculous spewers of nonsense...

98% of black americans voted for Obama because of the color of his skin? Is this what people like you say to yourselves to make yourselves happy?

How about some facts:

Black people have always voted Democrat in the 90+ percentile. I am sure you have heard this before but you folks keep saying your nonsense to help convince youselves that black people just vote for color of skin.

Fact....your comment is racist. What you are saying in translation is...Black people are dumb, cannot understand the facts and just are simply following the pack.

How about the fact that with Obama running...Black people have heard White Republicans disrespect the President by calling him the "Food Stamp" president, Learning that Perry had a ranch called "N-Word Head", Gingrich saying that HE could teach blacks how to improve their lives and the never ending racist nonsense that Rush Limbaugh...The token saint of racist republicans spew on a daily basis.

If you and folks like you want the black vote then tell you folks to stop with the racist nonsense. Black folks are not stupid. They will never vote for people who hate them.

But hey...keep saying....Black people only voted for Obama because he is black aka They are soooo stupid because they don't understand the facts...

You will find the end result the same....They will always vote Non Republican!

Well, Greg, his name is R a c e r :)

Thanks for your post.

GregRodgers- Actually, the only racism I run into regularly is Black against White. I am Northern educated and grew up believing everyone is equal and that MLK was a great man. Southern Blacks have done everything they could to unravel everything the Northern educational system taught me over the years through Black attitude and predictable stereotypical behavior. But, that is a whole other subject. I apologize for digressing.

Take heart, though, Greg. The good news is that if the Rs keep up this kind of talk, showing they haven't learned any lessons about the US demographics from the 2012 election, it will be smoother sailing for Hilary in 2016. And Ashley Judd can take down McConnell in 2014. They can't fake it b/c the electorate has their playbook, and authenticity is not their thing. Fun times ahead.

GGY- Elections do not determine America's path. Elections are an indicator of what America has become. Our way can be determined by America's people and it is up to the American people to stand up and DO something to change what is going on. The Government should be a product of American citizens, not the other way around. The present narcissist in the driver's seat is a product of our Government. It's like those old Terminator movies when the computers take over and try to destroy those who created them.
We have become so reliant on the Feds (and State government for that matter) that we are becoming dominated by dependency on it rather than on ourselves, and it has taken over, it, and Zombies like you.
That's why there is no Shop Class in High School anymore, the Government does not want us to be able to do anything for ourselves and this has expanded to include thinking. They want us in "knowledge (gross mislabel)" industries so we can be programmed. They would much rather our youth sit like Zombies in front of TV and their X-boxes thinking they are doing something viable, while in reality they are wasting precious, countless hours that should be spent learning how to become real men and women.
I have news for you though, those who can perform will always triumph over those who "can't".
I assure you, right will win in the end because real Americans will not be defeated. "Can't" is not in our vocabulary.

Racer, what in the world are you doing in GA if life was so much better up North? Blacks in the North had a very different, though not perfect, life than the horrors their race lived through here. In attitude, the South is still fighting the Civil War, I mean the War Between the States, the War of Northern Aggression. It doesn't matter how many black friends you grew up with, how many you claim to have now, it is your current obvious bias that drives your views. You calling me a Zombie because my views and politics differ from yours makes you irrational and mean spirited. That alone negates everything else you say. I would hate to live the cynical life that you lead. Your opinion is flawed, therefore doesn't count. You may need professional help. You are not even in the same category as the class clowns who post and try to be funny. To me they're harmless. You're like your sister poster. Nothing either of you say has an credence. But keep it up because it's bad for the Republicans and good for the Democrats.

Racer, that whole election theory of yours, ridiculous. Thank God you have no influence over them.

GGY- For one thing, I never said life up North was better. The South is the place to live and I am proud that Southerners don't mind my being here. I LOVE it, just not the reverse discrimination displayed by many Blacks down here.
As far as Southerners still fighting the civil war, they deserve to. The Federal Government royally screwed them and then got away with claiming the whole thing was over slavery, this while Sherman owned slaves at the same time he was burning Atlanta. Grant didn't even release his slaves until 3 years AFTER the emancipation proclamation while Lee released his slaves (which he inherited, he never purchased one) three years before the war was even over. Then, Lincoln was in the process of working out the details for shipping all the ex-slaves away from the US because he said they were not fit to mix with Whites. What I was taught in school about the civil war was complete BS, for one reason, the winner of the war gets to write history.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8319858/Abraham-Lincoln-wanted-to-deport-slaves-to-new-colonies.html
There is a lot more, but this is way off topic.
You need to get off Tammy's case, she has proven to be a darn fine person who doesn't deserve your attacks. Me, maybe, but certainly not Tammy.

" I'm not frustrated as much as perplexed as to why people who complain about how America has gone down hill get on these threads and make the most disrespectful, unnecessary comments. Venting is one thing, but the ugliness that shows up here is often hard to get beyond. Obviously, they don't see that they're part of the problem."

Racer, you called me an ugly name. You should apologize. If I have violated Patch terms, I'm sure they'll tell me. If anyone posts vile untruths, or if I simply disagree I have the right to challenge. This is the Opinion section, you know. If she or you think you have the right to silence anyone else, you're not adult enough to be writing here. Your friend rarely writes a comment without attacking the President, Democrats, the American electorate, America itself b/c it's not what she perceives it should be, so she's fair game. I don't call her names. I do reply to her comments, but not all because I can't bear to read many of them. I disagree with her. I despise snark. If she doesn't want my comments she should clean up her style. You're so gallant. But watch out, Tammy doesn't like off-topic. I just got my come-upance from her.

You forgot to give me credit there, R.

R, I'm not the person complaining about America's demise. I quite like it, love it I should say. I know Americans are blessed. Elections are held, Presidents, Senators, Congressmen get elected. If someone doesn't like America, it's a great big world out there and they're free to go.

@GGY

So YOU DO have selective retention skills, GOOD.
I'm glad you remembered your own text...

Come again, R? What do you mean? You wanna give me examples?

But on the other hand ...

Karsten, it's hard to read your stuff when you go back to the old Palin diatribe. I couldn't get past your second sentence . . . I knew what was coming.

Of course you couldn't. Much easier to ignore these points than to address them....

Well, Karsten, you choose what you want to write and I choose not to read it. We're even. You set it up that way - to shut my interest down, but I'm sure others read it, so feel better.

I actually choose not to believe that you didn't read what I wrote. I choose to believe that you did read it, and are unable to refute anything in it. Which makes sense...

Sorry, Karsten. Truly, I didn't read past the first paragraph.

unsolicited, pompous, arrogant, condescending, self absorbed...etc...you get the picture....how's life in the broom factory?

Truth is painful sometimes, isn't it, John? Talk about unsolicited - do you ever read what you write before you hit submit?

Funny GGY....I was thinking the same about your hair trigger submit button......

Nope, I proof read before I submit. I intend to post everything I write. Granted, there may be the occasional typo, but the rest is meant for the eyes of the beholder.

Go easy on GGY....after all it's not easy dodging that bucket of water all the time....full time job for her.........

Excuse me, but my comment was related to your post. The others I've made, too, have been replies to comments by others. I can write the most innocuous comment and here you all come. That's ok with me. Anyway, I have as much right to my opinion as you do. So, you think everyone but you is only allowed to comment on the article but you may post about anything? Your post with the above link was in no way relevant or relative to the topic of the Patch article. You just wanted to trash the Dems and the President. You have quoted me plenty and used my initials. You have no beef. You just don't like someone countering you. That's what these forums are about. I post plenty that isn't personal but I get the uninvited comments to which I have a right to answer, just like you. I haven't whined at all, you just don't like it that I disagree with . . . find cringe-inducing . . . everything you post. You obviously feel that's mutual, but I haven't asked you to cease and desist. Put your big girl panties on or stay out of the kitchen where it's hot. Who's whining? By golly, DB was right - you are the Patch arbiter, self-appointed.

Oh, John B, you couldn't be further from the truth. The election outcome was my early Christmas present from the rest of America. I'm not the one who has to defend my position. I got it right.

You can't say Christmas...it's not the liberal thing to do....oh that's right..you're a moderate....laughable....

We have free speech in America. I can say whatever I please except shout fire in a crowded venue. I love Merry Christmas. It's my preferred seasonal greeting. Sorry to disappoint you.

It's all about you, isn't it GGY?

OMG, NGW. OMG!

You have now worked your way down to a 1 year old....soon we'll have to stick you back in the womb....

JB, have you ever, ever made a comment to me that wasn't condescending and insulting? No, which makes you irrelevant.

Did I say that out loud? Sorry about that.

Too late, Racer. I saw what you wrote and it was despicable. But, I'm not at all surprised, considering the source.

Thank you, Patch, and whoever flagged Racer's vulgar, obscene comment to me.
No one deserves to be spoken to in that manner on a public forum.

Post something fair and balanced GGY and I'll be the first to offer accolades.

@ PATCH STAFF: could you also please remove John B's offensive comment. I would appreciate it, and I think most other female readers would as well. Thanks!

No you wouldn't John B, and I have but you can't recognize it because you're too deep in R-land. You belong in the same irresponsible-poster category as your pal Racer. You should both be very ashamed.

Nothing wrong with my comment. It speaks of your regression and immaturity. If you are thinking of it in any other manner than you have a serious problem.

GGY is now crying....boo hoo...please remove all posts of those who disagree with me.....good grief!

BTW GGY...I'm not an R.....I'm a moderate........

John B, disagreements don't bother me. You and Racer don't disagree - you attack in a vulgar way. Mature adults don't use anatomy to make any "points". Maybe that speaks to your own body parts. Let PATCH leave in your childish, but offensive comment. Then folks can read between the lines and know what Racer wrote. Fine with me. Shows more about you two than anything about me. You both should apologize but I won't wait for it. Neither is man enough.

Oh, so very doubtful you're a moderate. Once again you're trying for funny cute.

I hope you are right :-)

I gave you credit yesterday for acting 3...I'm revising that down to 2.....

2 yr olds are fun as well. Thanks again.

The concert has already taken place NGW. Maybe you can start a petition to the network to stop the airing on Dec. 21, or have them delete the offensive performer, who came on at the end from what I understand. That should be easy enough.

I'm out too Racer....GGY is boring and too easy to rattle. See you on the dark side!

No they just left to check out "Eye Candy1" on the View ...

Perhaps if the "View" had been consulted initially, this entire incident never would have taken place...

See all this domestic Presidential "stuff" cuts into important policy meetings, I sure hope he asks the ladies about Libya before Christmas, its time for an answer ...

YES I can say that I do and I have seen it presented around the globe over the past 4 years. Depending on the culture where it's presented, it doesn't often have the impact one would hope for...

As to heavy questions of substance, for candidates running for office and the View, since its more of an entertainment venue - I think most could handle the What's you favorite color? food? or cigarette basics ...

Unless you have to face "The Knights who say Ni" or a real World leader.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_who_say_Ni

(The View DOES address serious issues at times, but not with candidates running for office...)

I'm sure Romney laughs, too, but not at himself. Too prideful. And Romney declined his campaign View appearance and sent Ann, because it's hard running for president. I'm really surprised that you watch the View. I catch it occasionally and find that I enjoy it. Until I gave it a chance I couldn't stand it b/c those women usually talk all at once. Most all the candidates nowadays appear on TV - late night and daytime talk shows, magazine-type shows. It's the 2000sies. It's expected and gives Americans a different, what's the word? . . . perspective.

Yep, there's a time and a season for everything under the sun.

The default conservative viewpoint compels one to normally finish the work before playtime...

Late-night shows? Most are after hours and wouldn't interfere with business, but when you're President, you can expect to meet with foreign leaders on behalf of the USA. The "View time" is playtime and when you consciously choose to skip meetings with our allies (work) for playtime, its a foul. Especially when you CAMPAIGNED on increasing communication with world leaders...

It's a foul that should be called regardless of race, creed, color or sexual orientation. Given the conditions within the Middle-East now, frankly it was a poor and inexcusable one. On the other hand, had it been Jeopardy! hmmmm....