Should Restaurants Be Able to Offer Discounts to Churchgoers?
A Pennsylvania man has filed a complaint against a restaurant for offering a 10 percent discount to anyone presenting a church bulletin.
Offering discounts to various sectors of the population is a common practice with restaurants. Seniors get a discount on certain days, veterans on others, students presenting a report card with good grades sometimes receive discounts and the list goes on. One common practice, especially here in the south, is offering a discount on Sundays to anyone who presents a church bulletin, but a restaurant in Pennsylvania is now under investigation for doing just that.
According to Fox News, an atheist from upstate Pennsylvania filed a complaint with the state against the restaurant, saying he was being discriminated against because he does not attend a church. This triggered an investigation that ended with the Pennsylvania restaurant being served with a 16-page complaint from the state. The restaurant owner is challenging it in court. She told Fox News she has received support from around the country, particularly from Georgia and Texas, where this type of discount is offered a lot.
So what do you think? Is this discriminatory, or should a business be allowed to offer discounts at its own discretion?
Thor Johnson
7:54 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Sounds like the PA atheist needs a hobby...try reading, and make it Adam Smith's ...The Wealth of Nations. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wealth_of_Nations)
A "market driven" non government business should be able to establish whatever pricing policy they choose...
Ted Asher
12:01 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Adam Smith, really?
Monika Woods
11:42 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Yes Ted, Adam Smith really. You probably did not read it in high school because of the socialist doctrine that has been taught for about 30 years.
Amen Tammy too!
Ted Asher
8:39 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Monika, you don't know me and you don't know what I have read. How dare you assume that you do? You completely missed my point and I would bet good money that you have never read a single word written by Adam Smith. In the future, don't come to a bowling alley with nothing but a golf ball in your bag.
For your edification, here are two famous quotes from Adam Smith:
"The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state."
"The rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion"
He really didn't have much to say about church coupons or diner discounts. You people just slay me.
Tammy Osier
7:59 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
I think it shows prejudice on the part of the athiest. Any private enterprise can choose whatever they want to do as far as discounts go. I'm older now, and some places offer senior citizen discounts, and some don't. The man with the problem is free to eat anywhere he wants as he is free not to eat at this particular restaurant.
The way I look at it, from a business standpoint, sunday is probably a big sales day because of churchgoers, and he is appealing to a large base of purchasers. Kids starting back to school offers another base, so discounts for report cards etc.. It brings in business which is why the owner has a restaurant in the first place. So, tired of free people having to bow to the whims of the few.
Bob Roska
8:10 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
I aggree with Tammy and see nothing wrong with restaurants offering a discount to folks bringing in a bulletin. Restaurants see a huge windfall of sales from people out driving around after church looking for a place to have lunch. Why not attract that windfall by offering a discount? Some people, like this person in Pennsylvania, are just trying to bring attention to themselves. I suppose the next thing will be people with arthritis or carpal tunnel syndrome calling "prejudice" because they can't use a scissors to cut out coupons to get a discounted meal at a restaurant!
John B
8:26 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
What wasn't mentioned in this article is that the person filing the complaint was offered the same discount if he would bring in a bulletin from his atheist affiliation and he chose not to. So, is this really about discrimination or does someone have an agenda?
Kristi Reed
11:04 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Unless this guy's complaint also targets senior discounts, school spirit nights, ladies' night specials, etc., then I'd say it isn't really about discrimination. Would he be equally upset if there was an atheist special or a special discount for wiccans?
Gary Fox
8:40 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
HOW DOES THE STATE GET INVOLVED WITH THIS ?!?!?!?!?!?!????
Cyndicadyd
8:53 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Let me get this straight...a family OWNS a restaurant, prints coupons, one of which offers percentage off for bringing in a church bulletin and they get sued for discrimination. This is nearly making me lose MY religion! Really? Government should not be allowed, nor should any citizen, to micromanage our businesses any more than they already do. This is so ridiculous.
Gail Moore
8:55 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
A private business not only has the right to give discounts to whomever they please, they also have the right to not serve a person if they so choose. Don't like their practice of rewarding church goers? Just take your business elsewhere. Nobody MAKES you eat at a particular restaurant.
They don't have a right to discriminate when they are hiring, but they should be able to run their business as they see fit. I think the government is reaching way too far into private enterprise with this one.
Ted Asher
12:05 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Gail, I think you need to rephrase the part that says, "they also have the right to not serve a person if they so choose." That policy created quite the kerfuffle in these parts about fifty years ago.
1. I question the veracity of anything that comes from Fox.
2. I would not be surprised if this was a planted story attempting to distract Pennsylvanians from the voter supression rules being enacted there.
Tom
10:18 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
It's the restaurants business, if they want to offer a discount to anyone that just bought a new set of tires or has a church bulletin or a gym membership, it's entirely up to them. If there is even a shred of sanity left in this country, this lawsuit will get thrown out.
Vanzetta Evans
10:44 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
How can I get on board with this suit? I go to church but they don't give out bulletins. Everything's online to save paper and money. So I have no bulletin to bring in. That's discriminatory, right?
Gail Moore
11:02 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
No more so than those who are under the age of 55 not getting free coffee at restaurants or grocery discounts on Wednesdays. It's a marketing tool.
James
11:07 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
You would probably pass a dozen churches on the way. Just stop and pick one up from one of them. Same as stopping to get a newspaper for a coupon.
James
11:11 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Like a church that doesn't have a bulletin. Go with the flow. Maybe something will happen that is not planned. Also not a distraction for those that sit there and read the bulletin instead of worshiping.
Kim Roberto
11:11 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Good one Vanzetta - I love it! This whole sue-crazy/discrimination mentality is ridiculous. My husband gets a discount at Lowe's for being a veteran, but I don't. Hey, wait a minute.....that's not right.....I think I'll sue Lowe's saying they are discriminating against dark-haired, Yankee, non-veteran Italians. That makes no sense, but I think I'll try anyway. I mean, really! Give it a rest people!
Gail Moore
11:15 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Kim - you crack me up! :)
James
11:03 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
It's not even just for "church goers" .It's with a church bulletin. He could print a on line bulletin, ask someone for one,etc. No more than a vegetarian could claim they needed to go in a grocery store where meat was sold to get a coupon. The Pa agency that is wasting the taxpayer money investigating this should be shut down and fired. .
David
11:09 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
I think the atheist should pay double to make up the difference. And the state agency that even took the time to listen to this jerk should be dissolved.
Andrew LaFontaine
11:26 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
This is the country our men and women die for daily. Where the government can micro manage even family owned restaurants. This case should be thrown out.
Ted Asher
12:31 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
There is no "case". No suit, nothing more than a statement. Leave it to Fox to blow this out of proportion.
John B
12:42 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Same story on CNN and every other news media. Not a FOX issue. Try changing your channel from time to time.
Terry Parrish
2:41 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
@John Barone. I've been searching for an original story on any newsource that FOX and can't find one. And I was searching for an original source on anything BUT FOX to try and prove, for myself, the veracity of the claim, and the story. So far, no luck. Every internet blip about this story lands back on the FOX webpage. If you have a link to the story as an original, not a rebroadcast of the FOX from some other news agency, woudld you be so kind as to provide it? I really do want to see how this is reported from some other source.
David
4:35 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
The original story was in the Christian Post. Fox News picked it up from them.
Grant
3:04 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
I'm with Terry... Likely nothing more than a typical Fox news " rile up the "persecuted" crusaders" bit...
But , yeah, If the local strip bars,liquor stores and bars want to offer a discount to those folks savvy enough to print a copy of a church bulletin off the church website , who cares?
Brian Crawford
3:42 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
More anti-government fodder from the Republican Outrage Machine at FOX. People file these complaints all the time with state agencies charged with protecting our civil rights and the agencies are obliged to follow up on them. Nothing to see here, move along.
M.K. Osborne
4:44 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
More anti-conservative values from the liberal machine from Brian . lol
Tammy Osier
5:45 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
It is a legitimate question considering the day and time in which we live where these kinds of things can make it to the supreme court (think Michael Newdow and Supreme Court). I suppose it's just one of those stories meant to make us shake our heads and say, "Really - offended? Unfair?" Seems those are the catch phrases of the day as of late. No wonder it made the news.
Grant
8:52 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Tammy ... It didnt make "the news"
It was reported on Fox .. Not as any sort of real "news" but just to stir the pot and rile up the "faithful".
Sharon Swanepoel
9:01 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
That Grant, is one of those opinions - shared by some but not by all. Fox ratings tell us that.
Tammy Osier
9:54 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
To respond to the Adam Smith book: Maybe people should read it in its entirety rather than taking out excerpts that support a position. He did say that, but read the paragraphs (and chapters) before and after. He was trying to cover all areas, including the poor, and that some tax on properties that is not unreasonable should be used. The quote was taken out of context.
I find it refreshing that someone who is a huge supporter of free enterprise would also be balanced enough to include the poor among us. The key word is "reasonable" when it comes to taxation.
Ted Asher
11:14 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Hoo-lee crap. What does Adam freakin' Smith have to do with this? Tammy, do you know anything about Adam Smith? Do you know what the phrase Moral Self-Interest means? Read beyond the first paragragh of the "Wealth of Nations". Read the "Theory of Moral Sentiments". He was way WAY more concerned with the morality that he was with the enterprise.
I can see I am going to have to write an article about Adam Smith. It seems he is becomming like Ayn Rand, an name that conservatives like to through around to demonstrate how well read they are.
Donna
12:09 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Oh please get over it. He needs to get a life. Yes, restaurants should be able to give a discount to anyone or any church or organization that they want too.