Is Canceling White House Tours a Good Example of How to Implement Sequestration?
The White House announced that the last White House tour will be Saturday, March 9, 2013 — at least for a while — as a result of sequestration.
Amid warnings that sequestration would have dire consequences, efforts to stop it were not successful and it went into effect March 1, 2013. The impact is now beginning to seep through with various cuts beginning to hit the headlines.
According to USA Today, a source of irritation to some is the fact that the White House is canceling public tours, beginning this weekend. A recording on the White House visitors’ information line announces the following:
Due to staffing reductions resulting from sequestration, we regret to inform you that White House Tours will be canceled effective Saturday, March 9, 2013, until further notice. Unfortunately, we will not be able to reschedule affected tours ... We very much regret having to take this action, particularly during the popular spring touring season.
Republicans have called the move “childish,” according to USA Today, and have attributed the cancellation to the White House trying to make a point after warning that the $85 billion in automatic budget cuts over the next seven months were going to hurt. A U.S. Secret Service spokesman, however, said it was necessary in order to assign uniformed officers to more essential services.
Do you think programs such as the White House tours are a good example of just where cuts should be made? What programs would you like to see cut?
frank king
9:20 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
a petty move by a petty little man
David Brown
9:50 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Referring to the President of the United States as a "petty little man" appears to violate Patch's Terms of Use policy against personal attacks.
John B
10:28 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
David:
Really? That's the best you have? Why have the tours been cancelled? Sequestration?
Hangtough
10:44 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
if the shoe fits!
Sharon Swanepoel
11:23 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
David, sadly for public officials they are fair game unless anything is said that is racist, offensive language is used or a direct threat is made. Personal attacks against other posters, however, is in violation of our terms. When someone runs for public office, at any level, they open themselves up for public criticism. It just goes with the territory.
David Brown
11:48 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
I accept your verdict, even though I disagree with it.:) I guess I interpret "offensive language" differently than you. I didn't vote for President Bush in either 2000 or 2004, but I respected him and prayed for him, Laura, Jenna and Barbara regularly. I'm not insouciant when it comes to respecting our President, not matter whom he happens to be.
Mr. B
11:55 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
In his 5th year and the country still lack leadership. Pray harder. You are invited to join our prayer group meeting every morning at 6 and again at 5PM. Now meeting, due to its size, at the Summer House at the lake. We had 63 in attendance this morning.
John B
1:13 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
David:
I didn't invite you to pray...might you be confused? That's a silly rhetorical question. Read through the thread carefully and address the appropriate poster. Good gravy!
David Brown
3:10 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Mr. B, my brother, I do pray hard for President Obama. I realize, sadly, that I'm praying against the prayers of my fellow Christians. Thanks for the invitation. I doubt if I would feel welcomed, if the other folks that attend are of your mindset. That is why I wish Christians would not discuss politics when we get together, because politics is very divisive. We should focus on what unites us.
John B
3:45 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
David:
I find people are more tolerant in person even when there are differences. I would bet you would be welcome. I also liked what you said here... "That is why I wish Christians would not discuss politics when we get together, because politics is very divisive." "We should focus on what unites us." Nicely said David....I wish the president could see as clearly as you in this regard.
TheSkalawag
9:52 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Where would you cut?
John B
9:23 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Political posturing at the expense of kids....I haven't an ounce of respect for Obama. Anyone notice his approval ratings lately?
David Brown
9:46 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
John B., the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for today shows that 51% of likely U.S. voters approve of President Obama's job performance
John B
10:27 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
David:
48% strongly disapprove if Obama's job performance. Let's talk trending. 51% today approval rating...where was he 3 months ago?
Hangtough
10:47 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
You did not mention how his approval rating has dropped lately and continues to drop.
CathyB
10:31 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Shameful absurdity. Let's continue to spread the hysteria where it hurts: the disappointed faces of children who have been selling magazines and wrapping paper to earn money for a trip to the White House. Seriously? THIS is where they want to cut spending? Oh wait.. According to Senator Harkin, we don't HAVE a spending problem. We have a distribution of wealth problem. ("We have the highest per capita income of any major nation. That kind of begs the question, doesn’t it? If we’re so rich, why are we so broke? Is it a spending problem? No, it’s because we have a misallocation of capital, a misallocation of wealth.") But let's go on ahead and cut the White House tours. Per Yahoo: "The U.S. Secret Service said that Uniformed Division Officers assigned to the public tours will be reassigned to other security posts. The reassignments will reduce overtime costs as well as potential furloughs that could have been required to meet the cuts in spending, the Secret Service said." ABC News reported that the largest expense related to the tours is those SS agents required to secure the area, at $30.00 per hour. I forget the number of agents they quoted. So... by reassining them to other other posts, this will save money how? Show me proof that their paychecks are one penny less than before, and I'll retract my statement. I'm quite sure whatever few dollars this stupid move might save will pale in comparison to even one month's worth of frivolous benefits of a congressman.
Hangtough
10:53 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
If they just cut out Congresses liquor budget, it would more than cover the WH tour cost, but you can bet that will never happen!
David Brown
10:32 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
John B., three months ago, the majority of American voters approved of President Obama enough that they re-elected him to a second term.
John B
10:39 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
David:
I was wondering if you wanted to address the cancelling of the WH tours? Or would you prefer to keep spinning and diverting?
David Brown
10:42 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
John B., you're the one who brought up President Obama's approval rating, not me.
John B
11:16 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Cathy...silly lady...that wasn't me. Go back and look again and let me know who referred to the president as a "petty little man." If you pass the test please keep posting. If not you might want to look for another hobby.
Sharon Swanepoel
11:25 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Calling another poster by a name is in violation of our terms and that comment, however benign it may appear, has been removed.
CathyB
11:36 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Oh dear - my apologies to John B! I intended that comment for David Brown. Sorry, John B. I'm in total agreement with YOU!
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
10:31 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
@Cathy
No apologies required, we all get David and John confused around here - they're are so much alike, they're almost interchangeable...
(Smiles)
Karsten Torch
6:02 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
Sharon, I'm not following your statement. Calling somebody by their name violates terms of use?
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
11:32 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
@Karsten
The statement reads "a name", not their name or pseudonym.
Karsten Torch
9:21 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Ah. Got it. Duh.....
dbn
10:34 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Closing the White House to tours by the average American while keeping it open for access to those who contribute 500K to an action committee says all one needs to know about this administration.
CathyB
10:45 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
If there was a "like" button for this comment, I'd click it. :-) The only thing I would add is that the average Americans, who will no longer have access, are the ones who keep the doors open and the lights burning in the FIRST PLACE!
Mr. B
11:49 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
It is OUR house and can be occupied at any time. Unfortunately, you will need to bypass security that is under other orders. False orders.
Bluedobee
1:59 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Let's understand what this truly is....a blatant and obvious message to the American people that the President doesn't care about you. You seriously don't think they could have found cuts elsewhere in the White House? But of course they won't do anything that would affect their lifestyle. Maybe Michelle could quit taking vacations for a year....or maybe they could cut household staff, I'm sure there are hundreds of things they could have done. The message, per Marie Antoinette, "Let them eat cake".
r patton
5:17 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Venezuela has an opening for a Leftist President. Why not give them ours? That way he can declare himself King for life and no one will object.
Tammy Osier
5:52 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Did anyone notice that the salaries of the president and congress are exempt when it comes to cuts? I find it ironic that they ask us to tighten our belts and sacrifice, yet show no leadership by demonstrating their desire to work alongside us as fellow citizens. Romney, while doing the olynpics, took no salary. He would have been a great leader. his heart was always to do the right thing. You can google him and find all of the many times that he paid his employees bills, or put his opwn name and money out there when an employee went missing etc... Bush vacationed at his ranch, which cost us nothing, yet the first family today is on vacation or having a hollywood party every time you turn around. Yes, I pray for him, to have his eyes opened and for wisdom.
Amy Jellicoe
9:01 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Has any of our posters ever been on a White House tour? Did anyone have plans to go this summer? My answers are NO and NO. I like Obama, but it still sucks. He really could have cut something else.
Andree Terry
11:20 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
actually I toured the white house when we were under a code orange- meaning the public is not allowed access... but since my friend had been an event planner for congress ( she was very well paid with taxpayer dollars) a senator called the white house and we walked right in... I am not sure why a staff of volunteers could not lead the tours at no cost as they do here in Athens and elsewhere. I have been a volunteer docent for special collections at our own Georgia Museum of Art as well as a tour guide for other special group events raising money for charity. I enjoyed it!
Amy Jellicoe
9:55 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
Agreed Andree...There are tons and tons of patriotic Americans who would move to ghetto ass DC and work for free at the White House. There's more to this story. The truth will come out one day.
Becky
9:33 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Yep, I've been on a White House tour. So not impressed. We saw nothing current. I'm curious how many other children are disappointed in seeing pictures of old, dead presidents, a dining room and a library. My children were really disappointed. They wanted to see modern things, not some old tea set that was used by a first lady 100 years ago. I have no desire to ever see it again. And all the rules and regulations they have to get in that place, is totally ridiculous. You basically walk in with nothing on you except your clothing. It makes it very hard to plan because you have to leave all your belongings elsewhere and hope they are there when you return.
Tammy Osier
9:24 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Agreed Amy. I think they could use a paycut until morale improves. :)
Brent McMillan
9:57 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
We still have tens of BILLIONS of unspent money from that 2009 Stimulus Bill rammed through Congress and signed by Obama. You remember the one that was supposed to create all those shovel ready and green energy jobs? Yeah that one...the one that Obama later said jobs of which "weren't so shovel ready."
What we have here is an arrogant, snide administration punishing Americans, or attempting to punish them, and gerrymandering with scare tactics because of the sequester (Obama's idea originally in 2010). And of course the low information voters and the main stream media blame in on Republicans.
With that said, only liberal Democrats would throw a hissy fit over a reduction in the INCREASE in spending! Here's a question I'd like answered: we got by with a $14 trillion debt in 2011. It is now at $16 trillion. Why can't we get by at that same deficit level spending today that we had in 2011? The economy sure as heck doesn't show anything for it, no matter how much BidenGaffe says we need to spend our way into prosperity.
Good Grief Y'all
9:00 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
You have to factor in interest on the existing debt which Congress authorized, also we're still in Afghanistan and pouring money into the rebuilding of the country the US destroyed - that would be Iraq.
Tammy Osier
10:04 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
@ r patton - yeah, then we'll start drilling here and cut off Venuzuelan oil forever - lolol
Tammy Osier
10:18 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
http://www.newsmax.com/Reagan/Sequester-Obama-Reagan-tours/2013/03/07/id/493624
Andrew Sarge
10:50 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Bein' strictly objective, the main reason he cancelled the White House tour is strictly a publicity stunbt by this president to try and gain leverage over a situation where he let himself get into something he never wanted to get into.There are lots of other things they could cut such as letting some of the WH lawyers and party hacks take a cut in pay. It is so wrong to do that mainly because the WH doesn't belong to him or the party in power. it belongs to the American people and should be open for tours regardless.
Good Grief Y'all
7:11 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
People have been hollering cut, cut, cut for over four years now. Then when cuts take effect, it's "Not there! Not here!"
The Sequestration cuts were to be across-the-board, applied to discretionary items.
Yes, this was too-happy-an-item to cut, but cheer up - you can still go to the Easter Egg Roll. And John Boehner will give you a tour of the Capitol. Go to the National Archives and the Smithsonian, the Vietnam Memorial Wall.
The WH tours will be back. We lived without them after 9/11. Suck it up.
Nancy B
8:05 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
.,I agree that these tours were cancelled for petty reasons. There are many other wasteful items in D.C. that can be cut. Start with discontinuing Obama's campaigning trips and let him stay in D.C. to actually work with Congress in a respectful and honest manner, Maybe then all the politicians might start behaving like mature adults and learn to work together for the good of our country, not their own selfish, party oriented ideas. Nancy B
Chris P
9:42 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
This President is determined to make these cuts as painful as possible for the sole purpose of furthering his political agenda! In my opinion this man is no longer fit to hold elective office.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
10:23 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
I just want to know if the President's offspring will be forced to take their spring break (Gasp) within the borders of the continental US this year?
Oh the sequester horror...
Michael k
9:59 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
Really?
The President of the United States (personally) decided to cancel tours of the White House?
Really?
He seems like that much of a micro-manager?
Good Grief Y'all
10:43 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
Exactly, Michael k. I believe the Secret Service made the decision.
Jeff Haas
11:25 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
Here's the syllogism from the Right:
1. Barack Obama is bad.
2. Anything Barack Obama does is bad.
3. The latest thing Barack Obama did, whatever it was, was bad.
It's hard to beat that kind of logic.
John B
12:10 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
From the left...
1. Obama is King
2. Anything he does is great.
3. The latest thing Obama did..whatever it was...was great.
see where I'm going with this logic??????
Mr. B
2:13 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
He did something? What?
Oh yeah, he played golf with Tiger. What else?
Mr. B
2:56 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
Press reports pegged the cost of a recent Florida golf outing Obama took with Tiger Woods at $1 million. Also cited were press reports saying 341 federal workers could have been spared furloughs if Obama had stayed home. The president's travel expenses alone, for the golfing outing with Tiger Woods, would pay for a year of White House visits.
Ladies and gentlemen, your tax dollars at work. And you wonder why people call him selfish.
Good Grief Y'all
4:23 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
Tiger and the Prez played golf before the sequester. The sequester shouldn't have happened, but did thanks to the Rs in office. The President pays for his own personal travel expenses. Presidents are entitled to time away from the WH; they're not prisoners. And US slavery ended in 1865, remember. The SS and AF1 are provided to all presidents, no matter when and where they're going. (And Bush went often to his Texas hidey-hole, not being sophisticated enough for world travel.) I think it's the law or something . . .
Mr. B
6:01 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
When the president starts leading the country and putting together a budget (how many years without one now?), I'll pay for his golf trip. Until then, he needs to stay in Washington and do his job. He hasn't earned any vacation time.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
10:17 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
GGY Psst the sequester was Pres Obama's concept, so he got what he wanted...
How dare those evil Republican's pick that issue to act in a bipartisan manner on.
It came home to roost like a recent college graduate in this humdinger of an economy.
Good Grief Y'all
8:49 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
B, that no budget misconception has been covered and shown not to be factual.
Good Grief Y'all
8:52 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
R+, pssst . . . sequestration was supposed to be painful enough that Congress would work together to avoid it. They had many months to do so. Then, they leave town the night before the deadline. Again, the President underestimated their stupidity and greed for their own purposes.
Mr. B
9:18 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Where is this factual budget?
Where is this presidential leadership?
Congress sucks. The president sucks. How bad will it get before change, real change is implemented? God save America.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
6:31 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
@ GGY The Sequester still came forth from the great minds of the President’s team…
Just because he asked for it and GOT what he asked for, doesn’t change the creator thereof - no matter how times one claims “I didn’t build that!”
The “Sequester”, will it impact where the President’s offspring take their “spring break” this year? We they be limited to the (GASP!) Domestic US - the absolute horror of it all...
Good Grief Y'all
7:14 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
R+ - I see you changed your name again. You're welcome for the + idea.
The Rs are hoping sequestration will have a negative impact on the economy. They didn't like even a slow recovery, especially since it didn't prevent the President's re-election. Now they want to put the brakes on in time to affect 2014. They'll introduce bills to minimize the impact on DoD. They're happy with all other cuts, especially the ones affecting govt. jobs. They want the unemployment rate to go back up from its lowest point in years. Don't know what they'll do about that pesky all-time high DJIA.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
11:55 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
The ++ is a software wienie thang ...
There we go with the evil Rs again, its all about tripping up the President, couldn't be an issue with policies...
Fed tab used to be 4 trill, now 16 trill - miss logarithmic functions along the way have we now?
But lets take another track, how much longer do you believe the Fed will be able to hold interest rates at zero (or a few basis points) from it?
Is there an executive order in the near future for Ben "Print till we run out the cotton we make money from" Bernanke's future or is he just going to "delete" the spreadsheet column where all this "bonding" resides and call it an oops?
It could happen, just ask Tim "TurboTax" Geithner ,who at least to his "credit" could find legal nannys and lawn guys/gals/( or insert the pet name of your choice here to keep things PC)...
Good Grief Y'all
1:13 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
Jeff, you're right that the Right is wrong.
JB, you're wrong that the Left is wrong. Hyperbole is not logic.
John B
1:18 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
The only thing that's a sure bet is that GGY has a copyright on being right even though she's left...but we all knew that....or at least we're constantly reminded of her superior intellect....
Good Grief Y'all
4:13 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
JB, you're the only one reminding anyone of my "superior intellect". You've done it several times now. Thanks!
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
10:12 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
"Superior intellect" worked so well for Kahn against Capt Kirk...
What it really revealed was two dimensional thinking.
Good Grief Y'all
8:54 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
R+, that's JB's label, not mine. When he can think of nothing intelligent (as usual) to say, he resorts to insults and sarcasm (thinly veiled snark).
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
6:33 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Well GGY, still don’t see the connection yet?
(Smiles)
Good Grief Y'all
7:16 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
R+, there is no connection, still or yet. :) :) (that's smiles)
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
12:01 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
@ GGY - Thanks for info, sometimes the fonts just don't display right... (Smiles)
Its hard working on this laptop in Hebrew sometimes...
Indep Ga Mom
5:44 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
Sharon Swanepoel; please devise a policy to handle trolls. Surely the pattern is quite evident now ... thank you
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
12:02 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Like Don't feed them after midnight... Don't ever get them wet...
Karsten Torch
6:16 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
This sequester is being used as a tool by the administration to put the Republicans in a bad light. The left wanted no cuts, and want to accomplish things only with tax increases. We took in more last year than we ever have before - and we still ran a deficit. But yeah, let's not cut anything. Are you frigging kidding me? We have this sequester purely because of the left's stubbornness to see the right way things need to go.
It is intended to be as uncomfortable as possible. And why? Because we have to cut 2.5%? This is a portion of the increase over last year. You know, last year when we already ran over a trillion dollar deficit. This sequester doesn't even put us down to last year's numbers. The money going to Sandy victims is more than the sequester dollars. So what, really, is everybody freaking out about?
This could go away quietly. Things could be cut that don't matter a hill of beans. God knows we have more than enough of that. But no, let's make it public. Let's have a meeting and figure out what be most visible and inconvenient, and do those things.
Losers....
Good Grief Y'all
9:05 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Congressional Republicans need no help in putting themselves in a bad light. They're quite good at it all on their own :)
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
12:05 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
True - they've had over 40 years of solid teaching in that respect from the former majority...
Too bad some were such quick studies.
Stan
6:52 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
The comments generally from haters, those who speak differently kudos. Sure cutting the tours is political, but isn't the whole thing political?
Good Grief Y'all
9:18 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Bingo!
Reminds me of that old saying, "fight fire with fire".
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
6:44 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Which simply leaves both sides burned, does it not?
Good Grief Y'all
7:18 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Well, R+, the President used water the first four years. Might have worked if Boehner and McConnell hadn't kept turning off the water on the Hill. :D
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
12:06 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
I thought he changed that stuff into wine up there...
abby
8:47 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
A fast way to end the sequestration is to stop the salaries and perks of all them members of the House and Senate until it is settled. Isn't it amazing that the people who cause the problems never suffer the consequences?
Mr. B
9:05 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
A faster way to end the sequestration is to have a president that leads instead of doing nothing but complain about being unable to tax the rich even more than they are now.
Tammy Osier
7:49 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
A true leader knows how and when to compromise. Obama made a promise and is now reneging on it. Seems he's a parrot who only knows how to say, "raise taxes" raise taxes" raise taxes". The American people are tired (and broke), and the republicans are trying to keep them from having to suffer more tax increase. This would have been a good compromise on the part of obama, but then he doesn't play well with others. He dictates. History will judge this rightly, especially when we get someone in there who begins a common sense people oriented administration. Then, in retrospect, upon comparison, many will say to themselves, "what was I thinking?"
Abby - that was absolutely on the money. Good post!!!
John B
7:56 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Obama...leadership...= oxyMORON.............
David Brown
8:42 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
John B., here we go! Would Jesus refer to the President of the United States as a "moron"? I never publicly disrespected George W. Bush like that. I prayed regularly for him, Laura, Barbara and Jenna. Read Romans 13:1-2; 1 Timothy 2:1-3; Titus 3:1-2; and 1 Peter 2: 13-17. God bless.
Mr. B
9:24 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Get off your high horse David. It doesn't matter what your level of respect is or how hard you pray. I'm praying for our president too. Praying that he will become the president we need instead of the divider he has become. The current president is not a leader. Congress is doing nothing, neither Republicans or Democrats. Where is the leadership needed to make something happen? God save America.
John B
7:31 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
David:
Jesus is shaking his head right now trying to figure out how the sheep he created morphed from being four legged to two.........
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
12:07 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Sheep have just been insulted...
David Brown
9:38 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Mr. B, it is difficult to pray for someone that you neither like or respect. Maybe you (and your prayer group) should ask God to help you to respect President Obama. Stevie Wonder can see that you don't respect President Obama.:)
Mr. B
10:10 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Of course I don't respect him David. He has done nothing to earn my respect or the respect of the people that voted for him with expectations of change. Which is why I pray so hard for him everyday. Twice a day. My prayer group prays for many things and many people. Mostly, we pray for God's guidance and deliverance. Even Stevie can see that you are praying for things you want instead of things this country needs. God save America.
r patton
11:24 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
You respect the "Office of the President", not the man sitting in the chair.
Mr. B
1:04 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
The office is pretty nice. The hand knotted wool Oriental rug would look great in my office.
David Brown
2:17 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
I'm far more patriotic than you. I respect the man sitting in the chair, even when it was George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford and Richard Nixon. I realize that ultimately I'm sinning against God, and will have to deal with Him, if I disrespect the President.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
6:42 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Interesting list of individuals seems you may have overlooked one or 2, like perhaps President Clinton?
Mr. B
9:00 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
I've never questioned your patriotism, you shouldn't question mine. I've done more for my country and our armed forces than you could ever think about, much less do.
David Brown
2:24 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Tammy, there you go again with your incorrect interpretation of Scripture. Please read Romans 13:1-2; 1 Timothy 2:1-3; Titus 3:1-2; and 1 Peter 2: 13-17 and explain to me how we are not commanded by God to respect our President. Wait, knowing you, you will find some way to explain it.:)
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
6:40 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Since you have quoted scripture with respect to authority and law, how do you square that with illegal aliens both entering and driving as such in our country uninvited?
Tammy Osier
9:17 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
@ Mr. B... well said (thanks for your service). I'm trying really hard not to reply when someone makes everything about themselves and their offenses (especially noted when their replies are about YOU and how wrong you are in comparison to them - can you say prideful-lol)). In fact, I have one that's pending approval that can be deleted if moderators want to. The purpose of some is to stir people up (personally) and I'm trying not to take the bait, but to keep with the subject at hand not live to argue over things that have nothing to do with the subject.
David Brown
5:15 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Tammy, at least give me credit for speaking to you, instead of at you.:) It's clear you're referring to me. When I have something to say to you, I say it to your face.
Tammy Osier
11:38 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
I think what the problem ends up being is that many things get proposed, and only one side is supposed to compromise (in the opinion of the whitehouse). Unfortunately, that results in strongarming and blackmail (playing with the lives of the American people while the politicians eat steak). I remember Bill Clinton who would listen to the republican congress and compromise something that all could agree on - turned out to be the most prosperous time we've had in years. Bill Clinton was a lot of questionable things personally, but could not be accused of not having leadership when it counted for the most part. I know he has tried to talk sense into this administration, but to no avail. I think it will bite them in the long run. Obama refuses to budge and not only that, but continues to raise taxes after making different promises. Not very good leadership if you ask me. The cuts should start with SPECIAL INTEREST groups, but noooo, that will never happen.
Sharon Swanepoel
12:13 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Maybe it will take we the people figuring out how to send politicians to Washington, on both sides of the aisle, who are prepared to say, "I'm sorry you're not going to support me in the next election, or sink millions into my campaign, but in good conscience I just can't vote for (your specific special project.) You might not like it now, and I might even lose my election next time around, but future generations of your family will thank me and I will sleep better for it." Maybe one day we will figure it out, but so far the big money that goes into campaigns has successfully blinded us too. The little man - or woman - no matter how ethical, just cannot compete with the way campaigns are run. If they want in, they have to take the big money, and so the cycle begins.
Tammy Osier
12:26 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Totally right, Sharon. That's actually what the TEA party was about. many got voted out of their own party due to not fulfilling their promises. That's how the republicans got the house. republicans voted out their own and so did Democrats (who are a part of the Tea party as well). grass roots efforts should start everywhere. But, like you said, the little man thinks his efforts don't matter. The first man or woman who says that they propose term limits in Washington and pay cuts for politicians will have my vote. They could come in on a landslide, but there's too much pride (and greed) for that. Sad.
TheSkalawag
11:17 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
John B all I hear from the right is we need to cut spending. But when it comes to naming specific cuts they would make the only sound coming from that camp is the sound of silence. Republicans don't want to go on record for having suggested cuts to programs that the general public find life sustaining necessities. They would rather the President come up with suggestions. That way they can complain and not share in the blame.
John B
8:18 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
TS...if you're only hearing it from the right I suggest you change the channel. Most americans agree right now spending is an issue. We could start with entitlement programs but more specifically the waste and fraud that attributes to exorbitant dollars. I understand your lefty position on tasking the president with coming up with "suggestions." That would mean he would actually have to "lead." How silly that would be. I would hate to hold teflon Obama accountable for anything. It's easier to blame the Republicans...or George Bush.
Tammy Osier
8:49 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
SW - Special interest groups for one. So many promises to groups that contributed to campaigns etc... Obama is so beholden to people for that it isn't funny. He wants to tax the so-called rich, except for the ones that he has exempted. He nixes republicans every time they suggest something. So, the little guy gets punished instead. It's hard to figure special interest as being more important than the American people. If you want to see how a president is supposed to work with congress, look at bill clinton. That's how it is supposed to be done. Remember the 90's?
If Republicans really want to make waves, they would suggest congressional paycuts. Then, they'd have my attention. Hopefully, the next few years we will be disgusted enough to find some republicans with some gonads.
Tammy Osier
9:49 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
And Sw - I think what the right is saying is that we need to STOP SPENDING. That's a cut right there. How can you cut needed things and then turn around and spend even more? That's insanity and that's what the republicans are trying to say. If you have a credit card, it would be like paying the minimum (on a maxed out card) and then turning around and putting more on the card. If democrats would stop defending this type of irresponsibility and work with republicans for real, we could get something done. But posturing does nothing but stall any actual work that can be done. Seems all he does is posture nad go on vacation. Maybe cut out a few of those.
Tammy Osier
10:12 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
I notice that no one wants to address this:
dbn said, "Closing the White House to tours by the average American while keeping it open for access to those who contribute 500K to an action committee says all one needs to know about this administration."
those are the 1%ers that he likes. Can you say hypocritical?
Tammy Osier
10:23 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
and this:
Abby said, "A fast way to end the sequestration is to stop the salaries and perks of all the members of the House and Senate until it is settled. Isn't it amazing that the people who cause the problems never suffer the consequences?"
Can we get a big amen in the house? This applies to republicans and democrats alike. Here's the difference between those that support either party when it comes to patch. The frustration comes in where at least conservatives will admit that their party ain't all that we want it to be, focus on the problems and make suggestions towards a solution. We don't worship our party to the point of being deluded by it. In order to be objective, you have to admit that your man is not a demigod and that he could use some improvement. What happens is, you end up defending things that go against your conscience after a while just to hold onto a person. Our political system is broken whether regardless of what side you support. We don't have elections, we have a situation where whoever can put up the most money for groups in exchange for votes. really sad day when it has come to this.
I used to have a poster in my room that said, "When you make excuses, you give up tihe power to change". That is so true, whether you are an alcoholic, trying to lose weight or talking politics.
TheSkalawag
4:03 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
In reply to Tammy Osier: The sequester should not have come into existence in the first place. And I disagree with your premise that the problems of the country apply equally to both parties. I also find it hard to believe that you put forth the idea that conservatives are willing to admit anything other than they are right. I also don't see any evidence to back up your claim that conservatives have made any suggestions other than the same ones that put us in the position we are in today which is cut cut cut.
The last thing that you can accuse democrats of doing is party worship. We are too diverse for that to be a possibility. It takes homogeny which is more prevalent on the conservative side of the aisle than the liberal side. It hasn't been the left portraying the President as a demigod and in no need of improvement. That has been the meme of the right.
Your description of one defending things that go against ones conscience fits the republicans more so than the democrats.
Our political system isn't broken. It's the people operating it that's the problem. Sure there is blame for both sides but it isn't equally deserved.
And finally I believe that when you view reasons why something doesn't work as excuses then you give up the ability to navigate around obstacles.
Karsten Torch
5:43 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Of course you find the fault to lie with the Republicans. No real surprise there. To be honest, I do too. They should have done more to stop the spend-crazy tactics of the Democrats. They should have stuck to their conservative roots and been consistent with why they were put into office in the first place. We all know what Democrats will do when given the reins to government.
And this sequester falls squarely in the lap of the Dems. The last negotiation resulted in tax increases, much to the annoyance of us on the right. And of course the left can't cut anything at all and leave tax increases out of it. We gave in once, everybody knew that was a non-starter.
We have a spending problem. Most easily shown by the fact that the Imperial Federal Government took more revenue last year than it's ever taken before. And still running in the red. But it's both sides that won't cut. And cutting a projected increase isn't cutting anything. That's still spending more. Terminology in DC really has to be gone through before things will change....
Good Grief Y'all
7:34 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
@TheSkalawag - well said!
Good Grief Y'all
7:40 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Karsten, only the top 2% had taxes increased. For the rest of the taxpayers, the
t e m p o r a r y payroll tax holiday (a President Obama idea) wasn't extended by the Republicans. We wouldn't miss it if we never had it. But we had it for two years and it helped put money back into the economy - took away from the big bad entitlement programs, so all Rs should be happy about that.
You're still in denial about how the debt and deficit blew up.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
12:20 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Actually all it did was put Social Security and Medicare in a deeper hole, just about the time the ACA gets in full swing adding to the rolls...
It didn't cut any programs so with that note here's an example or two; Why is the government at any level spending money on studies to determine why lesbians get fat?
Why were projects outside of the impact area for Hurricane Sandy included in the 50 Million Hurricane Sandy relief bill that was just past?
Why can't we get governments to list only property taxes on a property tax bill - that if you don't pay by the way - get treated just like the taxes the government claims they are NOT?
Tammy Osier
5:52 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Thank you karsten. You knew what I was trying to say. We gave into tax increases with the provision of getting what we wanted, which didn't happen. Now they want more. No surprise there. So, the answer to spending is to spend more? That's insanity!
TheSkalawag
6:07 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Tammy if someone wants to plunk down 500k dollars to tour the White House what is your problem with that?
If it is so important for you to tour the White House just put up your 500k and do the tour.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
12:30 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Certainly leads to the most transparent government we have ever seen doesn't it? Yeah that's the ticket!
But pesky problem it's truly a public facility... unless all monies - that's right 100 percent collected - go directly into Federal coffers exclusively to reduce the deficit, no handling or bundling fees allowed to reduce the take - then we may have something that :
"We can all believe in!" "Oh yes we can!"
Tammy Osier
6:10 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Dnb was making a statement about the character of those in the whitehouse and I tend to agree. They only have problems with people having money when it creates jobs through free enterprise, but not when it goes into their pockets.
Karsten Torch
6:12 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Perfectly put. Pretty much what I was going to say....
And of course somebody that supports the left doesn't see the hypocrisy of cutting tours but still allowing people to buy their way in.
TheSkalawag
6:23 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
There are some people on here worried about spending now but had no concerns about it during the Reagan years or either of the Bush terms. Especially during W. Bush's two terms when he started two wars on the country's credit card and implemented the expensive medicare drug program. Back then according to vice president Cheny deficits didn't matter. So what has changed?
All these current complaints ring mighty hollow.
Good Grief Y'all
7:43 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
That's because of selective amnesia for some, stubborn ideology for others.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
12:37 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
The planes hit the towers - yeah we needed to respond.
But if you seriously think no one had problems with the way monies were spent - you haven't been on the planet very long at all.
Or your long term memory faculties may be at the same stage as Sen. McCain as he seems to have forgotten quite a bit since his run in 2008, right up there and at times on par with VP Biden.
Tammy Osier
6:30 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
KT, you may say it again, maybe it will sink in...
And of course somebody that supports the left doesn't see the hypocrisy of cutting tours but still allowing people to buy their way in.
Tammy Osier
6:31 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Not that simple. I was under the impression that we were attacked and that started the war. We took out saadam hussein as a matter of something we were supposed to do anyway (was on bill clintons desk since 97). I can give you quote after quote, dates, newspaper clippings etc... where clinton said, "we've got to take him out.." Once we were attacked, why not finish what we started especially since he was financing those who attacked us. We had little choice. Might have took less time had we not stalled for 3 months, telling our enemies where we were going ot search next while stuff was being smuggled into Syria. Unless you were there, you really don't know all the details. My son was there, doesn't know everything of course, but probably knows a lot more than wartime armchair quarterbacks.
Tammy Osier
6:32 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Ideal solution (for a start), said by Abby:
"A fast way to end the sequestration is to stop the salaries and perks of all the members of the House and Senate until it is settled. Isn't it amazing that the people who cause the problems never suffer the consequences?"
TheSkalawag
7:33 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
To Karsten Torch you are doing nothing but repeating the false talking points of the right-wing.
If you remember the last time there was a Democrat in the White House he inherited a declining financial situation and left the country with a surplus. And the next Republican in the White House left the country on the verge of collapse.
So far the current Democrat in the White House is doing a good job of bringing the country back from the brink as the stock market and corporate profits clearly indicate. But of course since in your eyes President Obama can't do anything right you won't be able to see that.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
12:41 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
And let's not forget the famed blue dress and the true meaning of is.
Too bad he didn't spend more time on the first Towers bombing, might have made a big difference but alas, there were other holes to fill with his time...
TheSkalawag
7:44 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Tammy the only thing getting in the way of Abby's solution is the 27th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which was ratified 5/7/1992.
I know how you on the right are such sticklers for following the Constitution.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
12:42 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Looks like its time for a change then ... as outlined in that very document
Tammy Osier
9:37 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Exactly. It limits pay congressional pay raises. The 27th amendment just says they can't do it while in session. I belileve Abby was referring to the need to do it at some point. I think she was being facitious. And, apparently, you haven't been paying attention. I mentioned the 90's a bit ago. The point being that bill clinton had to work with a republican congress. He had to agree with the contract with america and it turned out to be a great success, like you said. Democrats did not do that on their own. They did it by reaching across the asile and agreeing with republicans. Your partisianship is duly noted.
Tammy Osier
9:41 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
http://www.military.com/military-report/army-marines-and-coast-guard-cut-ta?ESRC=miltrep.nl
Interesting cuts. You'd almost think someone wanted to make us vulnerable to the world. Tuition is the very least we owe them.
TheSkalawag
3:14 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
The need to penalize is now. You can't do in the future, which would be the only time available, because at the time you would be able to levy any financial punishment it will be a new Congress and not liable for the previous Congresses actions or in-actions.
As far as Abby's facetiousness is concerned it wasn't readily apparent to me since I was basing my response on your quoting of her.
Yes you did mention the Clinton administration earlier but only in some fantasy world remembrance. The true nature of the Clinton Republican relationship can be found here:
http://partners.nytimes.com/library/politics/clinton-congress.html
And YOUR partisanship is also duly noted.
Oh and your recollection of the cause and the start of the Iraq War is just as faulty as your recollection of the Clinton Republican relationship. I have placed a link to a program that may bring some sunlight to your clouded perception of the events leading up to the Iraq War. That is if you are willing to take the time to look at it.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/02/18/rachel_maddow_special_hubris.html
Mr. B
9:02 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
"Where's the vat, the vat, the vat? Where's the vat with the Green C on it? The vat with the Green C in. Bring it so the adults can begin."
TheSkalawag
11:04 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
What is it that you are asking Mr. B? Are you presuming that the country is turning into another Jonestown or are you advocating for another Jonestown?
Karsten Torch
9:21 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
I would say "Yes."
Maria Navarro
11:40 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Sequestration cannot be too important to our government. They are still going on vacations and outings on the public's dime. I really think there needs to be a push for not paying any government official who is responsible for providing a sensible budget. I bet we would see bipartisanship then...unfortunately, since we are talking politicians it would probably not be good for the "people". We need term limits NOW, we need to reduce benefits of government officials as well as all their perks! The people are suffering and they are still spending billions on their vacations and outings! Let's cut federal departments that have contributed nothing but corruption and waste. Having been a teacher for 38 years (and teaching before the Dept. of Education was re-commissioned) that is the first department that needs to be demolished! According to the Constitution of the US, education is the responsibility of the states! Anyone notice that before the Dept of Education started telling us how to teach, our children were at the top in the world not the bottom they are at now????? Wake up, smell the flowers, the coffee, the rotten smell of government gone bad...☺
TheSkalawag
10:09 am on Friday, March 15, 2013
Maria we already have term limits. If you are unhappy with your current representation vote them out of office. I think that your anger with some officials is causing you to over estimate the amount that they spend on vacations. They may spend tens of thousands of dollars on vacations but for sure not billions.
Since there are no departments that contribute nothing but corruption and waste your suggestion to cut them is moot. Because YOU don't like the Department of Education is not a good enough reason to as you say demolish it. There are a number of government agencies that aren't specifically mentioned in the Constitution but that doesn't cancel the need for them. As far as leaving education to the states I would be all for it except that the states aren't that great at the job either and neither are some local municipalities. I'm sure you could point out a few right here in Georgia. Better education is the result of more concerned parents being involved. As an educator I'm sure you know that better than I. But what are your expectations of that happening with parents working harder and longer for less just trying to maintain the necessities in life.That rotten smell you refer to is the lack of an electorate overseeing the job being done by the people we elect to run our government because they don't have the time and energy to do it.