Amen, brother! Starts with rooting liberals out of elected office!

The slippery slope in which we have fallen is getting deeper with each new establishment of strip clubs, and other such venues. For a community to lose control of those type clubs is to open the door to what you said, (pedophillia, marriages that are not marriages, etc). Society is better off without such clubs, but since they are here we need to control what goes on and what is available inside.

The can of worms has been opened a long time. I agree with rooting out liberals.

So, utopia is if the majority of the men moving there are pervs and love to play with little boys...I think thats the fallacy of your utopia..what you are promoting is anarchy not utopia...or maybe your utopia is do whatever you want, to whomever, whenever for whatever reason....

With the community standards being enforced we then know the direction the culture is headed. Freedom allows for all citizens to have a place at the table to discuss the issues and to join in making the decisions about the type community they want.

"To stay on topic, the story is about communities getting to decide what their standard will be."---Tammy Osier

Since when are the lawyers, in public office or allowed to advise, "the community"?

"Good grief folks. The Pony is just a joint for DKPD to hang out at."---Roger That

Too highbrow for you?

As a tax paying citizen we all have the right to express our opinions about issues in the public domain. Have been called much worse than just a 'buttinski.' Thanks for reading the column

"Is that a valid concern ?"---David Binder

It shouldn't be. But when Obama comes on the tube just prior to the Super Bowl to (in regard to the Boy Scouts) expound on what must be "right and good" for gays and lesbians without even a mention of the children it would involve---much less what can be "right and good" for children---I think its time we do have to be concerned.

When Michelle Obama, later, even cheered her approval of Beyonce's half-time show, costumed and choreographed by what had to have been a strip club's stage manager or wanabee, I do think we have to be most concerned with the lack of any.

Tammy,
You must be new to Georgia.
So called 'conservatives' have had a death grip on Georgia politics for over a decade.

And that death grip is slowly killing our State.

Yea...the lack of nudie bars is driving jobs far, far away..uh huh...maybe its driving the ho's to Nevada..which by the way, has cratered economically the last 5 years. You pot smoking dips can actually believe the crap you shovel but in the end you will wind up bathing in it...but God back in the schools, throw the welfare leeches off the rolls, get these morally disgusting roach motels off the streets and you will see real growth...Go with God!

Local citizens making their decisions is better than some fed coming in and forcing the community to do what they have decided is best for the people. Too much of that going on now

"BUT, to stay on topic, the story is about communities getting to decide what their standard will be."---Tammy

You must be new---period.

The story should be about this government---(supposely) Republican and conservative or not---deciding anything regarding us and our "standards."

"Local citizens making their decisions..."---Ray Newman

How is it that you can conflate lawyers in public office, and who are citizens to Brookhaven also, and lawyers allowed to advise, who are not citizens to Brookhaven, "to be [the] local citizens"?

As you would the vertible squadron of non-citizen "butinski" state legislators, mayors and even governor driving this City of Brookhaven still?

Just as their was no "public mandate" to conceive this city, there has been no "public mandate" to pick on the Pink Pony.

It is a deliberate charade.

""From the beginning of civilization people have needed rules by which they will live.'"---Ray Newman

No Sir. As always "civilized people have needed laws by which they will live" and not rules by which they are ruled.

There will be no cavemen riding dinosaurs at Georgia theme parks. Not unless you can find a suitable passage from the bible backing up your position proving the existence of dinosaurs and cavemen.

What would you prefer Eddie, amusement parks with large naked men waving their privates at your 5 year old son (or daughter) as you float down the river? That probably does excite you doesnt it?

Eddie,
I have been in Georgia and except for the chiggers, humidity, and 80 kinds of snakes in which 2 kinds are poisonous & I can't see them if I am hiking through tall grass...I loved the place. I talked with a waitress that moved there from California about why she moved there. She told me that there were a lot of gangs in California & her kids didn't have problems with that in Georgia. She said that if a gang member shows up they take them down to the river for a baptizing...and if they don't see the light and repent...they keep getting baptized until what's left is for the alligators to eat. smile....it was a good joke. That almost convinced me to move there. Believe me, if you have lived in a liberal state...you would rather move to another country than stay there if you have any moral values & want to raise your kids right. Maybe the solution she mentioned should be employed at the strip clubs...laugh.

Our morality is not generated from superstition. However, evolution is. If women really believed that their babies came from apes there would be a lot more abortions.
Thats not where mine would come from.

Actually, I found the gators interesting. So was watching guys fishing for sharks. And the bicycle ride across America was fun too. We brought our own bicycles but the humidty said that we should stay inside...which we didn't. Although we usually ride 50-200 miles we only rode about 10 because we ran out of water and the heat was deadly. And I love the way people from Georgia talk. My dad's side of the family is from Arkansas, Tennessee, & Texas and I have been all through the south. I miss the accent where I grew up. Love your peaches and nuts. And I can get a good breakfast for a reasonable price...and a big glass of orange juice is great! And restaurants where I live don't have grits & I love 'em. Only negative was all food seems to be fried, fattening, and it is almost impossible to get a good, big salad or a plate of fresh steamed vegetables. Florida wasn't as nice as Georgia...and I intend to return to Georgia again someday. And people have manners which they don't in many states. Waitresses call the guys honey (out of staters don't always realize that they do that with everyone) and kids show respect towards adults (probably saves their ears from getting slapped...laugh). In general I liked a lot about the place & I think its a great place for tourists...most of the year.

Marie,
I wondered how long you would ramble till you got back to superstition.
Your notion that 'evolution is based on superstition' demonstrates clearly your lack of a clue.

Only in religious (aka superstitious) circles would cavemen ever ride dinosaurs.

So we're doing fine with existing community standards which implies we need stricter community standards. Yep, that seems logical to me.

Which communities are you referencing in Nevada? Can't be Las Vegas as that place is thriving.

Ray, you just stay out there in backwoosistan and keep everyone in line.

Many of us no longer need your scrutiny to carry on our lives as adult Citizens.

Was that a Freudian slip to say "no holes barred" or did you mean "no holds barred"? And just to be clear, are you indicting the entire state of California in being without morals? But you're OK with them bringing their dollars into our local economy? And just to be clear, do "Conservatives" like you place "Centrists" in the same box as "Liberals"?

Some seem to be afraid of the light...

Just tell Rick that if he liked Las Vegas he should move there. I've been there...it's not where I would want to live or stay for more than 2 days. Lots of gangs, violence, drugs, & prostitutes. Even Lake Tahoe has problems although I absolutely love the lakes, mountains, & hiking there...rafting down the river, snow stuff etc. The Deathride which we have done many times is a yearly event...a 150 mile bicycle ride over 5 moutain passes. But the place also has problems. Every year the motorcycle run brings in the worst crowd & there have been shootings in restaurants, etc. because of it. Lots of shops close down when they come to town in Virginia City, Nevada because everyone is drunk by noon. Anywhere there is gambling there is corruption. Motels hire illegals for cheap wages so social welfare programs are abundant. Its a better place to visit than to live. Northern California is a lot different than southern California. Each county is different. Lots of problems with government public land being used to grow or make illegal drugs...with mexican gang members doing the work & they are willing to kill anyone who finds their location. Drugs & drunk driving are real problems. So are gangs & violence. And all of those things cost the local government plenty. So if you have morality where you live...you will have to pay less taxes & have a better quality of life. Savannah, Georgia was nice to see...love your sweet tea. If you could just get rid of the chiggers!

Apparently sir, you lack comprehension that you and I lack a different 'tradition' and apparently have divergent definition of 'moral'.
Also, I refuse to defer to your pious view as 'standard' for my community as I have lived here for over 35 years, and you don't.

So, feel free to keep things stuck in the past around your house and leave those of us who live far away alone.

Who's traditions and morals? That's the problem.

I was lucky enough to meet only nice people in Georgia. Not those who complain about the old fashioned morality which turns off visitors. After all, what kind of tourists do you want? The ones that are gang members, transport illegal drugs, engage in drunk driving & get into fights when they drink to much? I don't think that the strip clubs will attract the kind of tourists you want. You know...the ones that the police don't have to monitor & arrest. The drunk drivers. The drug dealers. The ones that make their money legally. Just take a look at what it is like in the Netherlands when they made every immoral thing legal. When we arrived at the train station the intercom told us not to carry packpacks because of theives. We had to go to a particular place to get a list of safe motels because drug addicts would break into rooms day & night. The first thing I saw was a broken window at a jewelry store. And the "legal" prostitutes were often sex slaves held against their will. Sounds a little like San Francisco.

Had a typo- I meant the tourists you don't want are the drunk drivers and drug dealers. The tourists you want are the ones that make their money legally. I have been to half of the USA and 5 countries in Europe. And I like Georgia just fine. I have a hard time believing that some people online here are are from Georgia...they are probably from some organization that likes to denounce morality in every state & country. Ya'll have a nice night, ye hear?

"They've moved thousands of miles, located afforable housing to start a hard scrabble existence to improve theirs and their children's lot in life. "---Enuff Govt Already

Through no fault of their own, that is the pap sold and swallowed.

...picking a fight with them [the Pink Pony] was stupid..."---Enuff Govt Already

What has become "stupid" is the public's failure to also perceive the (at this stage) city managers' motive for picking on the PP: to deflect from what they are indeed doing elsewhere while making themselves look good.

While its time to begin "gentrification" (real estate raiding) including (not excluding) the Hispanic "gentry" of their "Hispanic Outreach."

Watch out Chamblee and Doraville.

Which will become even greater service cities satelite to elitist B'Haven.

R.
The 'problem' with that freedom thingy is that it allows people to act as they wish as long as they leave other people alone.
The 'problem' with moralists is they believe they are empowered to know how other people should act and generally refuse to leave them alone.

I am just baffled as to why out of the blue, a new municipality deems it important to start a new 'war on strip clubs' as if there is not a mountain of REAL PROBLEMS to deal with........
Unless they maybe have ties to law firms that will profit from one side or the other off the backs of the TAXPAYERS.

"I am just baffled as to why out of the blue, a new municipality deems it important to start a new 'war on strip clubs'..."---Eddie

Because the city-founders' handlers are convinced, as they have always been, that appealing (no matter how falsely), to the gringos' puritanism, will utlimately serve (as, so far, it always has) their (corporatist) ends.

It is a glowing carrot on a very mean stick.

Eddie E as a businessman you must recognize that the value of your commercial property is compared with and dependent on the sales prices of other similar parcels. There is a fairly strong case, pretty ironclad, that commercial property is devalued by certain uses; ie liquor stores, pawn shops, and even strip clubs.
Legally, the concept is called 'adverse secondary uses' whereby the area around one of these uses degrades over time.

One could argue that Corporate Square is insular from the Pink Pony, that Buford Highway is unaffected by such uses. But what if a brand new 22,000SF Love Shack would open at Clairmont and New Peachtree?

That's what happened with Johns Creek and they paid a small fortune to litigate the Love Shack. That is what Brookhaven seeks to avoid, plus, many people simply don't want that use in their neighborhood, for reasons unrelated to commercial property value.

Your and don G., Hammy, and the rest of the gang have been seeking a deep conspiracy, which is really sad.

"...don G., Hammy, and the rest of the gang have been seeking a deep conspiracy..."---Curb Your Pet

Wrong. I never sought "a deep conspiracy."

It sought, and found, me---beginning a long time ago.

BTW, have you read any Mx comic books lately?

Been the object of one's production?

You and your Mexican government rant are just plain weird.

Each and every blogger that is concerned about 'play-for-pay' or 'lawyers ponying up to oust the Pink Pony' or any of it really come down to old fashioned political differences. Citification is a GOP idea, so Dems oppose it. Some opposed city-hood because they mistakenly believe nobody every tried to reconcile issues with DeKalb.

That argument is specious, and simply untrue.

You are an odd bird, but I don't mind your devotion to making sure America stays safe from your perception we are at risk from the 'burrito menace.'

It takes all kinds...

"You and your Mexican government rant are just plain weird..."---Curb Your Pet

What is "weird" is your inability or unwillingness to get past your perception by asking, or answering, even one question. In other words learn something.

"...you are an odd bird, but I don't mind your devotion to making sure America stays safe from your perception we are at risk from the 'burrito menace.'"---Curb Your Pet

"Burrito menance"?

You are an "odd bird."

"It takes all kinds..."

CYP, it does not.

What it does take is one who has had the experience of having lived in Mexico and not only knowing what that government is all about, including stateside, but also knowing that government's players, with offices of that government in both Mexico and right here, and knowing also just who they are playing with right here.

I asked you:

"BTW, have you read any Mx comic books lately?

Been the object of one's production?"

Will you even now get past any of your presumptions about even Mx comic books and be enlightened?

Learn something?

OK don G, lay the comic book on us! I am not really a comic book reader, but do share your obscure point.