Typical rant from white racists soccer mom. The whole intent was not to force out private companies. Private insurance and big pharma are who put Obama in office. Get out of your troll house and realize that hard working families bringing in 50K a year can't buy anything anymore is the problem. Where did this endless supply of money printing and cheap money begin again???? Let me give you a hint. He is also the one who told us to buy a new car- and take the family on vacation! All while we were dropping bombs on third world countries...

I'm not sure to whom "most of you" refers, but I'm paying almost $7,000 a year for insurance, with a $5,100 deductible. It's difficult for me to believe that it could get worse. I'm counting on it becoming more affordable for those of us who do not have group insurance.

@Beth
We really wanted a single payer government run system like Canada,France,and Great Britain,etc.instead we got the Consevative warmed over plan that kept the insurance companies in business.This was the plan that Romney put in and the plan that Bob Dole ran on.Also,the Conservative think tank the Heritage Foundations had endored this plan as a free market effort in the eighties.Once again i'm tired of paying $1100.00 a year (added to my insurance policy)for the uninsured who have no health insurance but use the emergency room everyday.

Sorry, UB ILL'N. Beth is right on the points. Unfortunately, low information voters can't see the big picture. By requiring the insurance company to provide exactly the plan that the government dictates, the government will continue to drive up the price and force families to leave their company plans. Or they will make it to costly for a company to continue to provide healthcare coverage. In either event, families will be driven more and more to a government plan.

Big picture, when they did not want black or poor visiting well-to-do beaches in NY in the 40's & 50's. They did not say all poor and blacks stay out. They simply recognized that most blacks and poor traveled to beaches by way of social function and a rented bus. So, they just got together and build overpass that were to low for buses. For those that drove, well they like everyone need parking passes. If they managed to get a parking pass, and that a big if, they were always assigned parking space at the very back of the parking lot. So they would have to walk with all their gear and food some great distance. Big picture UB , blacks and the poor did not go to the well-to-do beaches in parts of NY.

hard working families bringing in 50K a year can't buy anything . is the problem. I guess that new tax increase is helping a lot. He was only going to tax rich

For the record, I see no indication that Beth is a white racists soccer mom. And I am for dam sure not a racists, a white or a mom.

@alaiyo - that "tax increase" you're talking about is the result of the expiration of the 2-year payroll tax holiday. Congress allowed it to expire as part of their fiscal cliff deal. The President can't raise taxes, but Congress can.

Good Grief Y'all,
"The President can't raise taxes, but Congress can. He can't do anything, unless he wants to take credit. He got OBL, right? ACA will bend the cost curve of health care. And the poor rich did not get a tax cut. Wait, it was the same rate that has been in place for 10 years. Then it is a tax increase. Tax deductions are now tax loophole. So, the cap on the flexible spending accounts goes from $5,000 to $2,500. So, let stop playing with words. If I am paying more taxes today, then I paid last year then my taxes when up. When you are paying the bill, no one cares what kind of tax you call it.

@alaiyo:

"The American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012

On January 1, 2013, the Bush Tax Cuts expired. However, on January 2, 2013, President Obama signed the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012, which reinstated many of the tax cuts, effective retroactively to January 1st. The 2012 Act did not repeal the increase in the highest marginal income tax rate (from 35% to 39.6%) which had been imposed on January 1st as a result of the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts."

Unless you're in the highest brackets, except for the payroll tax holiday expiration, your taxes didn't go up.

The information comes from a an IRS document released last week. The fact that Breitbart reported it doesn't change the substance of the document.

What do you suggest? I need a good laugh!

The Daily Show with Jon Stewart and The Colbert Report with Stephen Colbert, both give interesting, laugh-generating perspectives. No one is shielded from their jabs. Their entertainment-take is every bit as accurate or more so than the above anger mongers.

I didnt see the words "free" written in any of my responses Sean. Hopefully you have enough money in your coffers that you will be able to buy your very own custom Seans Insurance Plan better yet maybe you should self insure yourself because you are obiviously way to successful to be a part of something bigger than yourself.

Sean a question or two. What do you do for a "living" and how has the ACA impacted you.

You know I always found that when you own your own business that you only put "personal" money into it when times are tough. Hell when times were great you would save for the rainy day right. Guess what its been raining for a while and pretty long. Wish we had more personal money to put into it.

When they don't have many facts, why not try anger. Never mind that doesn't work for my six year old. UB can use bigger words that my six year old. Wait, that not right either.

Bludobee - did Trayvon get due process before he was shot? These laws are already in place in the states. So you tell me. Do I care if Americans in another country are suspected of being terrorits and a threat against our country are killed? Watched Kudlow last night and he supported it as did Ann Coulter. Funny hugh?

This kind of non-journalism really bothers me.

How many people have the time to read 71 very information-dense pages? And how many of those people will understand what they read without many more hours of research? And how many things with the same complications do people need to understand each day?

There simply aren't enough hours in the day for each person to understand everything that affects them. Journalists exist to give people an understandable and practical summary of the world.

That's what journalism is about: tasking one person with the right skills to cut through BS and give a fair and accurate report of something that's important to their readers.

Obviously, in an ideal world, we would all have the time and skills to do this. Journalists exist because the world doesn't allow for such a perfect situation.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the rise of corruption, the degradation of public institutions, and the polarization of the public has followed the decline of journalism.

@Sharon Swanepoel
You didn't mention the most reliable source of news and opinon which is MSNBC.

George...MSNBC is the extreme left wing comedy show as FOX is the right...that's a laughable statement based on nothing but your....errr....left wing opinion.

Ah George, you jest, right? Do you have a wooden spoon for that big pot you're stirring. :)

@Sharon Swanepoel
You also didn't mention the Jon Stewart show.
"Only the spoon knows what is stirring in the pot"
"A man in possession of a wooden spoon must be in want of a pot to stir"

Fox channel is like kindergarten to MSNBC's master's program. Conservatives won't watch it for fear they'll learn something other than what they want to believe. A lot of them just want to hold onto their anger and hate, and they'll do nothing to interfere with that. For many, it's just over their heads . . . they prefer their "news" and political commentary dumbed down and chewed up for them. All they have to do is swallow.

The only one sounding hateful and angry as always is you GGY....pushing your left wing crap once again.....Obama could give a crap about you...keep kissing his hind end......

If that's what you think, JB, you haven't read the rest of these posts or on other threads. You just hate me. More evidence of hater herd mentality.

I'm ok with you hating on me. It's quite a compliment, considering the source.

nope...sorry GGY...I don't hate you or anyone for that matter. Try again......

Well, then, strongly dislike as evidenced by every comment you make to me, except for that last one. That's the nicest thing you have ever said to me.

Whatever, i don't know where your reading that our plans would cost us 20K a year all I see are examples. Total outlays for most family plans on a group policy right now are 1500- 2200 fyi. But a lot of this cost is being born by the employer and/or the dependents will go out and get a cheaper individual plan unless they have health insurance. The law states that the options can't exceed a certain limit of the employees income for his contributions.

cont'd.....Its been like this for at least 10 years maybe your company pays 80% of your premiums most are wittled down to 50% of the employee only premium. So if you want to tell me that because Obamacare the cost are skyrocketing I am going to tell you that you are a fool and that you have had a great benefit at a large company that they are no longer willing or feel they have to pay anymore. This is the way it is get ready for no more pensions either and these are things that all your blue bloods hated anyway right? Arent pensions and defined benefits things of the old days you know like unions. We are being capitalized (downsized) and in my opinion our "total" health insurance costs must come down. I say total because of that $1528 i pay as self employed I have to gross $2016 before taxes (estimated using gross tax rate 32%). So define which side of the argument you are on. Lastly, my comment about the soccer mom is my angst living in the redzone, the words lazy and unemployed come up alot pertaining to our voter base. First off, illegals can't vote, second off the very poor the very indigent and the crack heads don't vote, and 47% are not paying taxes is just a flat out lie!

If the company where I work chooses to subsidize a larger portion of my healthcare then that is their business and not yours nor the governments. Just remember when you point a finger at someone else there are still three fingers pointing back at you!!

The President proposes a budget to the U.S. Congress which recommends funding levels for the next fiscal year, beginning October 1. However, Congress is the body required by law to pass a budget annually and to submit the budget passed by both houses to the President for signature.

"How the budget happens

The federal budget doesn’t get enacted the way other laws do. The process starts with the president submitting his budget request to Congress early in the year. That voluminous document is partly a presidential wish list, but it also gives Congress a framework.

"The ‘PresBud,’ as it is called, forms the basis of the fiscal year budget that starts the following October," according to this post from the nonpartisan Taxpayers for Common Sense.

In Congress, the House and Senate have budget committees tasked with creating concurrent budget resolutions, using the president’s budget as a guide. As Taxpayers for Common Sense wrote, "The legislation they draft is for Congressional use only: it doesn't go to the President, it isn't law, it just helps Congress keep its budgetary ducks in a row."

So there is the first problem with Romney’s statement. The president doesn’t "pass" a budget. That’s Congress’ job.

In Obama’s case, he has submitted his budget request each year he has been in office."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/apr/06/mitt-romney/romney-says-obama-failed-pass-budget/

So he can deliver a form of national health care but can't get his party in the senate to just debate a budget, let alone actually pass one in 4 years time?

Interesting campaign position…

Yeah, that was amazing, wasn't it?

Debating a budget, passing a budget - up to Congress. Writing legislation, passing laws - up to Congress. Raising taxes, lowering taxes - up to Congress. Spending - up to the House of Representatives. All that presidential power, what a waste ;)

U B ILL'N you're the only one who is clueless here. All I'm hearing from you is the typical rant that moonbat liberals are famous for. Before making a further fool of yourself here, you might want to educate yourself on exactly what Obama care is all about!!!

The businesses that will find this plan unfair are restaurant chains, big box retailers, and landscapers or construction companies whereby exceptions are being lobbied for. Remember when Pappa Johns said they will have to charge .25 cent more a pizza. really???? .25 cent more a pizza to insure low paid employees and keep them out of the federal coffers and lower the rest our premiums...reallyy???

Thats because the HSA is replacing the FSA, most if not all plans will be deductible first plans to qualify for the HSA status. You keep what you don't spend and put in mutual funds if you like to invest. But you don't lose it.

alaiyo, I'm not focusing on anything except to answer your comment:

"I guess that new tax increase is helping a lot. He was only going to tax rich"

Chris tell me what you do and how the ACA is affecting you for the worse. Please...All insurance is run state to state. Laws are different state to state aren't they? Penalties are different state to state? Its not lack of competition, Kaiser, UNH, BCBS, Humana, Aetna, Celtic, Golden Rule, Cigna Assurant is that enough competition? Does it really matter if i am a group of 500 and 10 are suffering through late stage cancer. Those costs are not aborbed efficicently. Example the banking crises 7% foreclosure rates bring the whole system down. Healthcare is a necessity of civil life. It needs to come down period. . I am that employer I am paying 800 dollars of your 1600 monthly costs so why cant we both be on the same page and agree we want the price of healthcare to come down and every other developed country has a form of universal coverage. Give me your email address I will share with you the numbers from my clients over the years.

@alaiyo - that "tax increase" you're talking about is the result of the expiration of the 2-year payroll tax holiday. Congress allowed it to expire as part of their fiscal cliff deal. The President can't raise taxes, but Congress can.

"The American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012

On January 1, 2013, the Bush Tax Cuts expired. However, on January 2, 2013, President Obama signed the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012, which reinstated many of the tax cuts, effective retroactively to January 1st. The 2012 Act did not repeal the increase in the highest marginal income tax rate (from 35% to 39.6%) which had been imposed on January 1st as a result of the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts."

Unless you're in the highest brackets, except for the payroll tax holiday expiration, your taxes didn't go up.

Worth repeating.

On the Making Work Pay tax cut, and more on the payroll tax holiday, from http://www.npr.org/2013/01/01/168417033/cliff-deal-would-end-payroll-tax-holiday

"It was enacted in late 2010 when unemployment was very high and it raised take-home pay by around $100 billion a year. The economic research firm, Moody's Analytics, says for every dollar workers were able to keep in their pockets, $1.27 was added to U.S. GDP as the money circulated through the economy.

So it undoubtedly played a role in helping support growth in the last two years. Now, it wasn't the best way to stimulate the economy because it put money in the pockets of a lot of well-off people, many of whom saved it, didn't spend it. Ironically, it actually replaced a more stimulative tax break called the Making Work Pay tax cut, which targeted lower income people who would be more likely to spend it, providing more fuel for the economy.

But that tax cut was initiated by President Obama and Republicans wouldn't renew it back in 2010, but they did go along with this payroll tax break."

LOL! That's funny.

Tammy if you read my example of the 60 female and 59 year old male and do the quote on ehealthinsurance .com use blue cross blue shield 1500 deduct 35 copay 80% coinsurance with 2,000 addiitonal out of pocketl You will see we already pay 20K a year then on top of that i have net out of pocket exposure of 7,000 per year if both myself and wife were to be hospitalized. Costs must come down! Or our country will. And please this plan hasn't even started yet. Lets not forget the AMA has backed it, the AARP has backed it, Romney the business man backed it before he ran for president, and you know i don't recall seeing one commercial from a healthcare company dissing it. Not one. So again for those that are so gonzo about this please send me a message of how its affecting you unless you drive a Mercedes and are uninsured I dont see how it affects you.

Chris P all I want is affordable healthcare don't care if its government run or private. I don't think insurance is any good if you can't maintain it. I don't think I understand though why every other developed country has subsidized healthcare and you think we can avoid it. Its already subsidized a little and still too expensive. I am going to stay right here in the Best Country in America Chris and watch you bitch and moan about the poor and the freebies. Why don't you become truly poor and just live off of us. I will not complain would love to see you digging around in the garbage or going garage sale to garage sale to get a bike for your kid.

Well said GGY. Southern Republitards are the worst, Love seeing all of the red and blue maps dipicting the race was rigged. I wonder if all the red is supposed to be just trees or grass I mean there is a lot of grass and trees in Montana. I love it when my uncle the farmer from south georgia talks about handouts then I see on a website that he has received over 4million in handouts not to grow certain crops and on top of that gets subsidized insurance no worries at all. He then proceeds to boast about how he provides jobs at 7 dollars cash an hour furthermore by exploiting illegal aliens who in turn exploit us and he can't see that he is part of the problem. True Capitalism doesn't exist!! If it did APPLE would rule the world! Do you think the gas companies set gas prices, power companies set power prices, nope we all help each other out to keep prices low for "civil" lifes needs. Healthcare is no exceptio
n! Just like car insurance laws! If your going to live in civil world you are going to have to play by the rules. Unless you are the fortunate 1.5% that own the world and make the rules. I doubt anyof these people live in Loganville-Grayson area though.

A fact (derived from the Latin factum, see below) is something that has really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability, that is whether it can be proven to correspond to experience. Standard reference works are often used to check facts. Scientific facts are verified by repeatable experiments.

Just publishing this GGY so you can differentiate between the dribble you post and the truth others post.

Thanks, UB. You're right. The bad is never on them. Doubtful any of the 1.5% are posting to Patch from anywhere ;)

Why, Mr. B, I didn't know you believed in Science. Personal experiences don't get into reference works unless you're super famous. Guess you didn't like the links and quotes I posted from some of those reference works. Not surprising, since they don't jive with your world view. Thanks for proving my point.

Have a nice w/e - especially Sunday ;)

Ha! That's a good measure U B - they want you to be very, very comfortable and entertained, too. Then you won't have as many outside influences or spend money elsewhere. Churches and ministries shouldn't be rich, but should not be in debt and take care of a good preacher. If they're holding onto that much money, they're not giving God His part to be used for the needy or for evangelism.

I'm used to Mr. B and a few others coming after me. They can get ugly, but to me they're just class clowns, looking for attention, trying to be bad boys. What is harder to ignore is someone preaching, quoting the Scriptures while snarking at anyone not Republican - in other words, being hypocritical.

Sorry if this disappoints you, but I'm a she.

I work and have since I was a teenager Mr. P. Please leave me out of your rants. Thanks!

U B ILL'N

I do not give out personal information on a blog. FYI I consider myself a Tea Party Conservative.

U B ILL'N
First you know what happens when you Assume something?

Second an apology is due from you. FYI everyone of your assumptions is incorrect. Perhaps I should sue you for libel???

Third anyone who claims that Obama care will save the average American money is either a moron or a liar. Which one are you??

Fourth if you want affordable healthcare the first thing you do is get rid of Obama care.

Fifth its good to know that I got under your skin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I appreciate you Chris because sincerely, you are the reason we won, it wasn't 10 counts of voter fraud or the mass buses of poor people coming to collect their freebies it was the TEA PARTY. :}

U B ILL'N
You sir are the reason for the downfall of America. Liberals such as yourself who despise this country and the values that made it great.
Being liberal and ignorant is no way to go through life.